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[ChairmanPoo]

I think that's highly debatable. Sometimes you can't fix everything nature throws at you, you just have to bear it, get through it and adapt as a species.

If someone tries to give me something to fix one problem but creates another permanent problem, my answer is going to be "fuck no."

Everything has side effects.

Every medication that you had over your life.

It's all a matter of how you stack the odds really

Everything has side effects. But most don't have permanent side effects or side effects like Narcolepsy.

I guess you've never checked the unusual side effects section of the medication you consume, then... 

You don't have to check side effects of your medicines when you don't take any.

Ever. In your life. None whatsoever.

Not even for a headache

[Iduno]

I think that's highly debatable. Sometimes you can't fix everything nature throws at you, you just have to bear it, get through it and adapt as a species.

If someone tries to give me something to fix one problem but creates another permanent problem, my answer is going to be "fuck no."

Everything has side effects.

Every medication that you had over your life.

It's all a matter of how you stack the odds really

Everything has side effects. But most don't have permanent side effects or side effects like Narcolepsy.

I guess you've never checked the unusual side effects section of the medication you consume, then... 

You don't have to check side effects of your medicines when you don't take any.

I'd argue that the side effects of being taken off my PTSD meds are unpleasant.

[andrea]

If somebody doesn't take medication as a general rule, something related to comfort like an headache probably shouldn't be the go to example (assuming it isn't proper migraines)
It would be better to give examples such an infection, or a bad flu or something serious enough to actually require medicines.

[nenjin]

I don't even take aspirin, by and large. I rarely get headaches bad enough I'm willing to take something for it.

The last medication I took was prednisone for sinus inflammation, because I had no other choice since surgery didn't solve the problem. And I'm well aware of the effects, so I take it literally only when my nose starts bleeding.

[MaximumZero]

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I'd argue that the side effects of being taken off my PTSD meds are unpleasant.

Same, but for suicidal ideation and severe depression.

[ChairmanPoo]

I don't even take aspirin, by and large. I rarely get headaches bad enough I'm willing to take something for it.

The last medication I took was prednisone for sinus inflammation, because I had no other choice since surgery didn't solve the problem. And I'm well aware of the effects, so I take it literally only when my nose starts bleeding.

Right. So there ARE situarions where you balance risk-benefit and decide to risk taking medication.

[x2yzh9]

Yea I mean to be fair, I was prescribed a shitton of meds as a kid, probably triggered a predisposed or non-predisposed condition for me, which was schizoaffective disorder. What I'm getting at though, is that yea, a lot of medications, even when taken over the age of 18, have side-effects. That's just life. Sometimes, depending on the type of medication and it's chemistry, it can have permanent effects on the body. But does the benefit outweigh the risk? Once again, that's the question. I have underlying conditions and if I catch coronavirus I could/will probably die as a result, even as a young person. So I'd rather take the vaccine and get narcolepsy which can be treated by a psychiatrist whom I already go to for my meds. That's my take.

[mko]

For me it depends on a risk.

1/10 chance of narcolepsy? Nope.

1/1000 Probably no, but person at more risk probably would take it?

1/10 000 000 No problem.

[Starver]

Not even for a headache

I'm somewhat with nenjin on this one. I've never had to take painkillers for a headache. Which is not to say I haven't had an ache in my skull (or indeed in other places in my head), but I don't think I've ever felt the need to plink-plink-fizz or take anything in pill form for that.  (Migraine sufferers can hate me now. "Migraine" sufferers, too, if they want, but they're apparently already being hated upon by the first lot, for appropriating something they don't truly understand.)

When I had an awkward wisdom tooth out (the second attempt, as the dentist couldn't get it out properly and I had to have a hospital appointment to slice it up a bit and remove the bits) I was told "just take your regular painkiller, when you get home" to cover when the injections wore off.

Cue me, walking into a pharmacist at the station with "I have just had a tooth out, what do you recommend?" written on a pad, given I was still too insensitive of cotton-packed mouth to articulate anything in words. I probably could find that pack at the back of a cupboard, hardly touched and years out of date now, as I didn't need more than one or two (precautionarily) before I decided I could live with it.

Prior to that, it would have been my appendectomy. Dutifully finished off my ABs, but not sure I continued any of the discharge-supplied painkillers for more than a day or two.

Other than what had been given me by medical(/dental) staff, including for childhood broken bones, torn ligaments and other interesting wounds, I'm not at all too sure how much painkiller I've self-administered. I'm fairly sure it's an atypically low quantity, given popular culture references to casual use of aspirin/etc.

Though I did pick up a packet of paracetemol about a month back. I was shopping, saw conspicuously empty shelves for some products in that part of the store but it looked like they had plenty of the kind I picked up and I decided it would be a guilt-free "just in case".

I'm thinking I should have got some hay-fever med, though. I normally avoid it unless it gets really annoying (not sure I used any over the last two or three years) but it seems a good idea to try to not confuse the spring/summer-season condition with the one this thread is about, this year. If I can help it. I can feel the roof-of-mouth tingle coming on, the usual herald.

[Frumple]

Ladies and gents, we have plague bingo! Liberty finally found one of their covid cases, so the official county level infection of florida is now completely 100% total. There is not a single county in the state without confirmed cases of the crow plague.

[nenjin]

I don't even take aspirin, by and large. I rarely get headaches bad enough I'm willing to take something for it.

The last medication I took was prednisone for sinus inflammation, because I had no other choice since surgery didn't solve the problem. And I'm well aware of the effects, so I take it literally only when my nose starts bleeding.

Right. So there ARE situarions where you balance risk-benefit and decide to risk taking medication.

Sure. With well-tested, well-documented, widely used drugs with a well-established set of side effects so I can make a reasonable cost-benefit analysis, and use it to the least degree its effective.

With anything involving Covid though, none of that is going to exist for a while. I didn't take anything produced for SARS, Zika, West Nile, or many of the other infectious diseases that made their way around the world. I'm not going to treat Covid any differently. Unless it's literally mandated by state and federal governments like the Polio vaccine was, and even THEN I'd wait and see for what the side effects actually are. People are so anxious and amped up right now and looking for anything to deal with the pandemic, it seems like a great time for something untested and unproven to get deployed anyways.

[Frumple]

I mean. As long as you're not living or working with the elderly or other high risk individuals, I guess it's whatever?

Didn't you say you smoke, though, nenj? Whatever the calculus involved is, it's going to tilt pretty significantly towards whatever vaccine or other solution gets produced if you got lungs you've been fucking over with tobacco. Crow plague's been notably fucking people with prior lung conditions, smoking history very much among them

[Starver]

As far as side-effects are concerned, BTW, I can imagine that Google and Apple's development sounds scarier as a future baked-in capability than it would be useful for me in its intended use.

(I don't actually use Bluetooth for anything, so it's off. In the past when I have used it I only turned it on when needed for that purpose. Ditto NFC, Wifi, GPS and even MobileData, unless I just neglect to turn them off by accident, though those seem largely irrelevent to this concept.)

The only way I'm likely to be tracked for infection-worthy proximity is probable good old-fashioned cell-tower location inferences (not sure that can pin down close enough) in which case for me the only info I'd get would be when the telecoms company(/ies) tallying up likely suspects then probably texting any that need to be texted. Which is bog-standard Big Brother stuff that I already knew was possible (even if it might not be practical).

[Greiger]

Ladies and gents, we have plague bingo! Liberty finally found one of their covid cases, so the official county level infection of florida is now completely 100% total. There is not a single county in the state without confirmed cases of the crow plague.

Yay  So does that mean all Floridians get a prize?  I'm currently still enjoying my 'prize' of a 100% free unpaid vacation at home while fighting with a nonfunctional unemployment website.

[Frumple]

The only prize we get is more crow plague. It's not a great one.