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[mko]

Seriously though, just don't price gouge the lifesaving medicine to the point it's literally criminal

And ln case of actually working medicine: immediately license it at reasonable terms for all other producers. Profit is perfectly fine and desirable to reward investing in such risky venture (even billions in profit), but "only USA will get it" Trump mode or pricing it at level unobtainable for given country is not.

Not doing this hopefully will result in waiving/amending/ignoring various copyright/patent/trademark laws.

[ChairmanPoo]

In our healthcare institutions (youth care, elderly care, psych wards), staff are resigning from their jobs for lack of protective materials.
Of those that don't quit their job, 14% have called in sick.
I really wish people would stop wearing facemasks in public and donate them to healthcare institutions.

People *need* facemasks. Healthcare institutions need FFP3 and proper PPE.  A few regular masks (amd we're not talking about anything else)

Dont blame mask wearers. Mask wearing is sensible. It helps to prevent the disease from spreading, which helps ro lower pressure on the institutions. Plus a few surgical (at best) masks would not make any difference when what is needed are high, regular (remember this shit is supposed to be DISPOSABLE. These masks people keep reusing were single use a few months ago) quantities of FFP3 masks.

Blame our f*ing goverments and institutions who dropped the ball back in February.

And blame decades of neocon politics that resulted in heavy cuts in healthcare. I don't think any country in Europe except Germany (and I think GER went down too) has actually kept a decent ICU capacity.

In fact look at this chart. Many otherwise wealthy countries are heavily short-changed ICU wise. You can probably extrapolate from here on what kind of stuff they decided to cut corners as well.

[Iduno]

Yeah, if some cunt like Shkreli tries to profit off a vaccine for anything, even if he somehow invented a vaccine for the illness he himself is a superspreader for: douchebaggeritis, pass me a pitchfork once I get this torch lit.

Can't wait to start seeing DYI torch instructions and pitchfork-replacements everywhere.

[martinuzz]

I think the current global situation is too big to let any company that comes first with a vaccine or medicine profit from it.
There's already voices in the UN to transfer any patents to them or the WHO.

[TD1]

Which would somewhat deincentivise its production by such companies, surely?

[martinuzz]

They'd stil get compensated for their expenses, it'll just be a non-profit product for once, with an added bonus of their company being added to the Hall of Heroes.

[mko]

I think the current global situation is too big to let any company that comes first with a vaccine or medicine profit from it.
There's already voices in the UN to transfer any patents to them or the WHO.

Profit is perfectly fine. Let them profit billions on that. But no price gouging, no limitation in production.

Just stealing the recipe will make less likely that companies will bother with important research and focus even more on viagra equivalents.

But compulsory purchase (yes, with a massive price - assuming that product is actually effective) should be fine.

[TD1]

With so many vaccines in the works, at least an absolute monopoly by one company is unlikely.

[Starver]

Tie the recompense (within reasonable and perhaps asymptotic limits) to both the established relative efficacy and proportion total doses their product (both self-made and effectively relicensed) occupies.

If there's a good product freely provided then it's cash in the wallet as well as a feather in the cap. Weak products (capability and/or volume) aren't cash-cows just for being rushed through to offer up as a contribution.


There's a few more stipulations I'd add in (oversight to prevent certain other failure conditions) but I won't bore you with things that doubtless people like the WHO[1] would already consider, and more.


[1] Roger Daltry, in particular might suggest "Giving It All Away" and "Free Me", but as a whole there'd be calls of "Doctor, Doctor" "My Generation", "So Sad About Us" and "The Kids Are Alright".

[Bralbaard]

People have set fire to four 5g Towers in the Netherlands. As a result emergency services van no longer be reached from the vicinity of these towers.

 

[Starver]

(Where I am, 4G drops out and down to H+ or even H, on this device, fairly frequently. Not that I'm linking this with biological viruses. If people believe this nonsense they're spouting, I feel sorry for them. If they don't but they're still spouting it, I feel sorry for everyone else.)

[wierd]

Remember that the average IQ is 100, and that this means the majority of the population is some value outside that.  I understand that IQ is not a good metric of actual intelligence. (so please take this with the appropriate quantity of salt required) However, due to Dunning Kruger, the people most likely to think irrationally, are the ones most likely to be convinced they are correct, and thus, the ones most likely to stir up large public scenes.

If we combine the two with a dangerous dash of association of the groups, you end up with a large portion of the population that will be susceptible to, and will promulgate, such nonsense.  This has negative outcomes.  Vis-a-vis-- Emergency services being disrupted during a world health emergency.

This is why a quality educational system is important, and why enabling the masses to share bullshit without any oversight is dangerous.

[Iduno]

Tie the recompense (within reasonable and perhaps asymptotic limits) to both the established relative efficacy and proportion total doses their product (both self-made and effectively relicensed) occupies.

If there's a good product freely provided then it's cash in the wallet as well as a feather in the cap. Weak products (capability and/or volume) aren't cash-cows just for being rushed through to offer up as a contribution.


There's a few more stipulations I'd add in (oversight to prevent certain other failure conditions) but I won't bore you with things that doubtless people like the WHO[1] would already consider, and more.


[1] Roger Daltry, in particular might suggest "Giving It All Away" and "Free Me", but as a whole there'd be calls of "Doctor, Doctor" "My Generation", "So Sad About Us" and "The Kids Are Alright".

Excellent work.

[Trekkin]

Excellent work.

Dangerously incomplete, though.

[nenjin]

Now I suddenly understand how some people feel about Fluoride.

I'll be honest, I'm not wild about having to be inoculated if it comes to that. Especially with a) how fast things are moving and b) some people's profit motivations. Sounds like a recipe for a poorly tested vaccine with unknown side effects rapidly deployed to large populations.

Like, last night, I imagined Trump declaring that they'd pour Hydroxychloroquine directly in to the water supply, because that's just the kind of stupid thing he'd advocate for.