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Author Topic: Untamed Virus Containment Thread:COVID-19: Lurking Omni-Flu Edition  (Read 497440 times)

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Re: Untamed Virus Containment Thread: COVID-19: Super Stay Home Edition
« Reply #2175 on: April 06, 2020, 10:35:15 pm »

Speaking of human to animal transmission - a tiger at the bronx zoo n.y. just got covid-19.  One of the few documented cases before anyone panicks.
Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh! Tigers are endemic to the Bronx!

All of this, why must some humans have such confusing behaviors? I, as a human, do not understand it. I can only imagine how confused AIs will be on our *lack of* handling a pandemic, and very very unsanitary practices
Just wait until Eliza goes on hen-night frolicks with Melissa!
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« Reply #2176 on: April 06, 2020, 10:53:21 pm »

I thought you were in the Shanghai area.
Hey, I was curious about something; are either you or delphonso Chinese, or are you from the US/Europe living in China?

Yeah I talked about elevators in Shanghai. I live in Shenzhen.

Chairman I'm Chinese. BTW your username is a censor-worthy political meme in China.XD
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« Reply #2177 on: April 06, 2020, 11:01:54 pm »

Not CPs fault Xi is so touchy about his appearance.  I would send him a nice jar of honey but he would probably just shoot his aid for delivering it.

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« Reply #2178 on: April 06, 2020, 11:06:24 pm »

...it's actually not directly related to your late premier. Rather, in an old forum I frequented (I think it was thepoliticalforums.com?) We had a guy called Interrupt_00H who was, in his own words a "nazbol cybersatanocommunist". And he was serious too. In my internal cosmology, he became Chairman Poo. Since the nickname amused me, over time I took it for myself (much as I did with DarthVuvuzealous and Wolven Sunder, which were likewise satyrical nicknames).


Anyways, I was curious about the take of the average pedestrian in China with the largely botched Covid19 management in Europe and the US.
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« Reply #2179 on: April 06, 2020, 11:09:45 pm »

Neither cotton masks nor surgical masks worn by infected patients actually filter out the virus and prevent its spread. 

Source: https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2764367/effectiveness-surgical-cotton-masks-blocking-sars-cov-2-controlled-comparison
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« Reply #2180 on: April 06, 2020, 11:15:49 pm »

Neither cotton masks nor surgical masks worn by infected patients actually filter out the virus and prevent its spread. 

Source: https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2764367/effectiveness-surgical-cotton-masks-blocking-sars-cov-2-controlled-comparison
There are several strong caveats about that study.
First:  it's very small. Only 4 patients

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petri dish (90 mm × 15 mm) containing 1 mL of viral transport media (sterile phosphate-buffered saline with bovine serum albumin, 0.1%; penicillin, 10 000 U/mL; streptomycin, 10 mg; and amphotericin B, 25 µg) was placed approximately 20 cm from the patients' mouths.
That's hardly representative of 6 foot social distancing for the purpose of measuring exposure. And for that matter this only addresses the viral aerosol, not respiratory droplets, which any mask would stop completely.
Tbh I dont think that's representative of anything except of the chances of getting infected  while filming covid19 porn...

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The median viral loads after coughs without a mask, with a surgical mask, and with a cotton mask were 2.56 log copies/mL, 2.42 log copies/mL, and 1.85 log copies/mL, respectively.
So there IS a reduction in the number of copies.

Now,  we know masks are not perfect, much less non-HEPA masks. But if the infected guy wears a mask, and you wear a mask too, and he stands 6 feet away... you're going to reduce your exposure a whole frigging lot. You are hedging the odds in your favor for not getting infected, or, if infected, to have it happen with a lower viral load


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For that matter we have good evidence that masks help to prevent viral infections, from past epidemics

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5153448/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699551/
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« Reply #2181 on: April 06, 2020, 11:17:43 pm »

Thanks, that helps me feel better about it.  I was freaking out a bit when I saw the conclusion.
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« Reply #2182 on: April 06, 2020, 11:19:39 pm »

The people around me are dumb-founded, but also getting skewed news.

The old couple here think the US has devolved into active Chinese hunts with Asian-descent citizens being killed in the streets. They took the call for Americans to return home (since flights might shut down for a while) as a clue of the impending Sino-American war.

More sane views are absolute confusion on how such a powerful country can mess things up so much. My girlfriend sees it as the US actively showing that it doesn't care about its citizens. Things seemingly were handled well here, and why others didn't do the same is incomprehensible.


A couple guys I know don't care at all except that NBA is cancelled. So, a wide range in my experience.

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« Reply #2183 on: April 06, 2020, 11:31:36 pm »

If you've ever watched the fine misted spray in the sunlight from someone having a good sneeze....even simply reducing the velocity and volume of particles coming out of them via the mask is a benefit.

On that note, I believe I saw someone at the store today walking around with an oxygen deprivation mask. Athletes wear them while they run or weight train to simulate training at high altitudes, adapting to and learning to perform on less oxygen, so when they're getting full oxygen they're super charged. Weighted training clothes, basically.

Anyways, I was wondering how long it would take me to see that. I'm pretty sure though any filtering that thing might do will be purely by accident.....

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The old couple here think the US has devolved into active Chinese hunts with Asian-descent citizens being killed in the streets. They took the call for Americans to return home (since flights might shut down for a while) as a clue of the impending Sino-American war.

Well, you can cheerfully reply that some dumb asses here think the Chinese manufactured the virus and unleashed it on their own people to kill the elderly and do some population culling, then let it slip out in the rest of the world to undermine other nations in preparation for the Sino-American War.

.....On second thought, maybe don't say any of that.

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More sane views are absolute confusion on how such a powerful country can mess things up so much.

I think the thing is, and I kinda predicted this.....the Chinese think the American government acts like the Chinese government. That if the American government tells us to "do something" that we'll do it because the reasoned heads of state clearly think it's the right thing to do and we're all good citizens.

When in fact, the minute anyone was told to do anything, a good number of Americans did the exact opposite, because "Freedom." And Trump explicitly did not provide any guidance or leadership or direction to any of the states, like a national Covid containment policy everyone had to follow, either "out of respect for states rights" or literally doing nothing to undermine people's faith in government so he can say we need even less of it. (Which frees up tax payer money to, I dunno, fire directly into the stock market with a giant money cannon. Or maybe build another 2 miles of that stupid fucking wall.)

I always used to wonder about seeing Asian folks wearing surgical masks in news footage, or seeing immigrants here in my town walking around in surgical masks during your average flu season and finding it odd. Reality is though Asia has dealt with these kinds of things many times in its past. Covid is exceptional but the awareness of the spread of disease is typical for Asia, or at least in particular, China. Here in the US though, we've never taken it that seriously. We've never really had to in most of the population's living memory. Many underestimated its impact and spread and lethality.

So when they wonder how it could fall apart, it's the combination of no national policy of containment, every state doing its own thing, setting its own rules, relying on its own resources (because we don't need government, remember? Everything is better when the states just sort it out themselves), and American individualism where people STILL RIGHT NOW are doing things like hanging out in groups of 5 or more, going to places where many other people are, and so forth.
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« Reply #2184 on: April 06, 2020, 11:37:15 pm »

...it's actually not directly related to your late premier.
It was probably not the late Mao, but the current Xi that was meant. Really such a surprisingly obvious meme, especially with those twofors with other world leaders. (Imagine the time spent needed to search between both film frames and press footage!)

((Yeah, technically Xi is Gen.Sec., not Chairman, but that's probably because after Chairman Mao was Chairman Hua, and after Hua was Hu. The obvious next Chairman was not yet available to appoint, so they switched that title out, for a while, but maybe later..?))
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« Reply #2185 on: April 06, 2020, 11:51:55 pm »

I should mention - the old couple just sort of believe whatever they read, but do have the good sense to ask me about it - and I've put their concerns at ease, mostly. The idea of the US and China going to war is considered inevitable by a few citizens here and in the US. But perhaps here it is more explicitly talked about.

I heard the mask wearing behavior relates to the Spanish flu, actually. I've always seen it as a way to keep others safe when you feel a bit ill, as well as cover up pimples/lack of make up (very common). I really don't get why some people feel uncomfortable wearing them - other than physical discomfort.


I think the Winnie thing was rooted in more direct anti-party posts and comments, and then turned into wide spread banning of images containing him probably as a catch-all or Youtube Content ID level AI, even if some was harmless ribbing.

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« Reply #2186 on: April 06, 2020, 11:59:18 pm »

I should mention - the old couple just sort of believe whatever they read, but do have the good sense to ask me about it - and I've put their concerns at ease, mostly.
All except the bit about you being a Foreign Imperialist Mouthpiece, I'm sure... ;)


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I think the Winnie thing was rooted in more direct anti-party posts and comments, and then turned into wide spread banning of images containing him probably as a catch-all or Youtube Content ID level AI, even if some was harmless ribbing.
And if Xi chooses not to wear pants (or indeed anything else below his midriff) then that's nothing to do with anyone else!
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« Reply #2187 on: April 06, 2020, 11:59:22 pm »

tfw you accidentally ban your own face from the internet and lose political capital
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« Reply #2188 on: April 07, 2020, 12:09:06 am »

TFW you don't need political capital. B)

Anyway, going into Guangzhou tomorrow. First time being in a major city with a lot of cases since this started. Morbidly eager to see what it's like.

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« Reply #2189 on: April 07, 2020, 12:17:00 am »

Heh, that's almost funny, thinking two nuclear powers are going to engage in any sort of shooty war.

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