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[MrRoboto75]

The first cases have been reported in my local community. If this is some sort of elaborate weeks-long cult suicide, I wish they'd at least given me a pamphlet and T-shirt.

Why would a suicide cult bother with tees?

[itisnotlogical]

Going by WHO numbers, China is down to less than 200 new cases a day, and some semblance of normal routine is returning. I'm more interested to see if anything changes here. It would be nice if people washed their hands with soap in public places here, but that's still not a common thing.

Hell, if the bathrooms I've cleaned in my life are any indication then aiming for the god damn toilet isn't a common thing.

The first cases have been reported in my local community. If this is some sort of elaborate weeks-long cult suicide, I wish they'd at least given me a pamphlet and T-shirt.

Why would a suicide cult bother with tees?

Idunno, I was trying to think of some cheesy merch item a cult religion would give to potential recruits.

[coalboat]

Why is so much of this thread taken up with Trump-bashing?

This happens in every country except that the target of bashing is the respective national leader. The national leaders have built an image of immense power and the people have chosen to believe that. It only now turns out not true in the face of a worldwide natural disaster.

It's reasonable to worry about the possibility of a particularly charismatic person appearing and gaining absolute power in time of uncertainty and causing great damage to the world.

[ChairmanPoo]

I'm wondering about life afterwards.  I'll be at high risk of exposure  and it only takes one mistake after all. Tbh I'm not even wondering about the (unlikely) prospect of having a serious case in itself. I'm wondering more as to where will I be and what will happen in that scenario. Will I be at wherever I reside in quarantine? Will they ship me to one of those "noah's ark" hospitals? Or maybe I passed it already (or will pass it) without realizing and I'm worrying over nothing? :/
 

I really hope it works out in China because it shows there is an afterwards

[Max™]

I mean, it's not like the US is alone in that regard.

Remember when I wondered what was going on in Brazil? It looks like Bolsonaro is calling for an end to mass isolation, school closings, and blamed the media for needlessly inciting reckless panic...

WAIT HE'S CALLING FOR AN END TO MASS ISOLATION AND SCHOOL CLOSINGS NOW?

Shit, is he trying to out-Trump Trump? Nobody tell Trump, we don't need a race to this bottom right now!

[misko27]

I mean, it's not like the US is alone in that regard.

Remember when I wondered what was going on in Brazil? It looks like Bolsonaro is calling for an end to mass isolation, school closings, and blamed the media for needlessly inciting reckless panic...

WAIT HE'S CALLING FOR AN END TO MASS ISOLATION AND SCHOOL CLOSINGS NOW?

Shit, is he trying to out-Trump Trump? Nobody tell Trump, we don't need a race to this bottom right now!

Well the reason that's spooky is that Trump doesn't have much direct responsibility for most of the shutdowns. Governors have been doing it of their own accord. Granted, many will follow his lead, but Trump has set it up so that he doesn't (or at least tries to avoid) direct fallout for whatever happens either way.

[Magistrum]

After the 'suspend contracts' provisory measure I really don't think he understands how any of this is panning out in the rest of the world. At least he walked back on those.

On my city the mayor declared 30 days closing of shoppings and commercial centres, so my store store had to shut down last week.
Really sucks because we just moved to this bigger place, rent and salaries are going to hit hard. At the start we just dismissed everyone for the day, now we got into an agreement with the union to give everyone collective vacation without the mandatory notice time.

It's pretty shitty that they won't be able to get proper vacation afterwards, but it saves me some future trouble and I pay them the month, looks like the great majority of our guys have no savings at all, suspending their contracts would be setting them up to be homeless.

[Max™]

I mean, Trump is definitely trying to pawn the responsibility off on anybody he can find, so rather than stepping up and risking a chance at accidentally motivating people, doing the right thing, trying to save lives, or even just offering comforting words... he's decided to step back and let somebody else do that thing involving... what's the word, starts with an 'L' and rhymes with 'readership' uh... man, it's been so long since I've needed to use it I completely forgot... oh shit, leadership!

So, hey, fuck you too fatboy, but thanks for clearly stating that you are unfit for leadership, don't let the door hit your flabby orange ass on the way out, don't want spray tan assprints on the door.

[Muz]

This is really showing the effectiveness of world leadership. Leaders can bury evidence, lie to people, say anything nice to win votes. But you can't lie your way out of a pandemic. And it requires leaders to take drastic action, set a nationwide policy within days, even if it means hurting the economy.

US has one of the worst survival rates - that's probably both poor healthcare and poor crowd control. Indonesia looks like theirs isn't under control either; they could be the next Italy, what with the crowded cities and slow response.

There's also post-crisis leadership. Who the aid is going to, and how well it's distributed. Taxes, debts, and so on. Countries that have underfunded health care will really feel it now.

[mko]

US has one of the worst survival rates - that's probably both poor healthcare and poor crowd control.

And low testing rate, as heavily ill (and dying) people are easier to notice.

Countries handling it very poorly are not appearing at all in statistics (Syria) or with heavy death rate (USA).

[martinuzz]

The virus manifests as a slight cold or minor flu more often than assumed earlier.
Out of the 1400+ dutch healthcare workers that have tested positive for the virus, only 86 needed to be treated in hospital (and not all of those needed ICU or respiration).
97% got over the virus at home with barely any symptoms, according to our head of the RIVM (our national medical advisory).
He also stated today that he is carefully optimistic about the curve flattening.
As it seems now, with the lockdown in place, an infected person only spreads the disease to 1 other person, putting an end to exponential growth.

[ChairmanPoo]

The virus manifests as a slight cold or minor flu more often than assumed earlier.
Out of the 1400+ dutch healthcare workers that have tested positive for the virus, only 86 needed to be treated in hospital (and not all of those needed ICU or respiration).
97% got over the virus at home with barely any symptoms, according to our head of the RIVM (our national medical advisory).
He also stated today that he is carefully optimistic about the curve flattening.
As it seems now, with the lockdown in place, an infected person only spreads the disease to 1 other person, putting an end to exponential growth.

You just started the lockdown ... early days. Dont hurry up to leave.  Even if the govt lifts it.

The bit about most cases  being mild was known. Appsrently it was discussed in specialist circles beforehand but in the last 2 weeks its everywhere. It doesnt change the problem one bit, which has alqaya been of large numbers 🙁

[martinuzz]

We started our first minor distancing measures 14 days ago now (no shaking hands), so if we are seeing anything that's just the effect of that.
The more strict measures are less than two weeks ago, the extensive lockdown even just a few days, so we should expect to see more effect coming still.
And don't worry there is no talk yet of lifting lockdown restrictions.

[ChairmanPoo]

Western democracies have lost a lot of credibility with me after this. Lots of censorship, media manipulation, and govermenrs covering their own bungling. And healthcare workers being sent to the frontline of the disease without personal protection equipment.
I keep thinking about Chernobyl and the liquidators. And how it has always been portrayed. Lots of moral superiority (from western Europe) But in the moment of truth, when faced with a real crisis? Our goverments are not showing themselves following the soviets' footsteps.

It's like when in a movie you lose suspension of disbelief. It's very very hard to get it back. I doubt I'll look at things the same way.  Turns out that I was more right when I was a teenager than I was three mlnths ago, about all this shit

[martinuzz]

I am sorry to hear that the government in Spain did that.
Over here, communication has been honest, albeit based on a lot of 'we don't know'.
As our prime minister put it 'we have to make 100% of decisions now based on 50% information.'
That's not censorship or media manipulation, that's just being honest about not knowing enough about the new virus or how to deal with it.