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[nenjin]

He's got a point. Our whole world is built on an aegis of self-annihilation through capitalism, and here we are turning to harm reduction like a bunch of fucking communists. Is this truly the extent of our dedication? I was promised the suicide of whole civilizations!

Throw open the factories, and let the fire sweep us clean, purer and finally triumphant over ourselves.

i hope you are joking about harm reduction being communist, if not, when the fuck did it become communist?

You'll have to be forgiven for being semi-new here: MSH is mainlining bombast and has been since Trump was elected. You just start learning to take his statements with several grains of salt.

[Doomblade187]

He's got a point. Our whole world is built on an aegis of self-annihilation through capitalism, and here we are turning to harm reduction like a bunch of fucking communists. Is this truly the extent of our dedication? I was promised the suicide of whole civilizations!

Throw open the factories, and let the fire sweep us clean, purer and finally triumphant over ourselves.

i hope you are joking about harm reduction being communist, if not, when the fuck did it become communist?

MSH is saying all the harm reduction legislation in the US is things formerly called "communist" or "socialist" by the capitalist booster clubs, and that we're wimping out on being ideological purists who are "never socialism". As I read it.

[McTraveller]

He doesn't believe it because he can't grasp how terrible this is. It's hard not to whimper when you stop to think about it

This is probably fair - I don't know (or even have any basis for understanding, really) "how terrible this is".  I can't wrap my head around what makes this more terrible than any other terrible condition of humanity.  Is it because it is new? Is it because its impact is being felt over a short period of time?

I'm also of the opinion there is a different between "how terrible it is" versus "how terrible we feel it is", even though that is merely an academic difference.

I also think there is a dramatic difference between how bad it is depending on your very specific geographic location. I don't work/live in a big city. I don't work in a hospital so I don't see a sudden change / impact in hospital business or change in mortality.  Proximity (or lack thereof) definitely informs opinion and sentiment.

[martinuzz]

Just when you thought things couldn't get more apocalyptic end of the world....
IKEA has closed it's stores in the Netherlands.
How are we supposed to hoard if we can't get more shelves?

[coalboat]

Wuhan has proven that lockdown can effectively contain the virus, but you don't want YOUR city to be the one locked down. Considering the virus is already everywhere, no one can be sure where he lives is in no danger of needing quarantine. Individuals staying away from each other is much more important than locking down a whole city, and brings less collateral damage (which means saving lives in some cases).

[Bralbaard]

Have no fear Martinuzz, I think you can still order your shelves online.

[Reelya]

There's even a new service where you can buy a set of shelves online with a pre-selection of panic-bought goods.

[mko]

PREVIEW: Where the heck do you get that it is inevitable that this will kill twice as many people per year (in the UK) as WWII?  Is this a real projection or a worst-case projection?

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-Imperial16March2020-19


"In total, in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US,  not  accounting  for  the potential  negative effects  of  health  systems  being  overwhelmed  on mortality."

Page 13 for expected death count in GB, depending on scenario - death ranging from half million to 48 000.

To compare - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country UK had around 450 00 death during WW II (Poland had 6 000 000, Soviet Union 27 000 000).

He doesn't believe it because he can't grasp how terrible this is. It's hard not to whimper when you stop to think about it

This is probably fair - I don't know (or even have any basis for understanding, really) "how terrible this is".  I can't wrap my head around what makes this more terrible than any other terrible condition of humanity.  Is it because it is new? Is it because its impact is being felt over a short period of time?

Because it can get far worse. Italy death count reached 2500, what is less that all deaths on a normal weekend. And less than death from vehicle accidents during a year. But it can get worse.

[Doomblade187]

Now, with social distancing, you get the lower numbers. Which is good. But you gotta start yesterday.

[mko]

McTraveller, this disease, if we don't keep strict isolation measures, may end up killing 7-8% of *everyone* over a certain age (mainly septuagenarians, if I recall correctly. Also, ChairmanPoo is a doctor. Mebbe listen to them.

*Hugs the ChairmanPoo*

I honestly cried at this. Thus

*hugs online therefore preserving social distancing*

[scriver]

About UK switching models: Our Swedish experts claim they have not and is still pursuing their antidemic model, which is according to them the same as the model Sweden is using.

[ChairmanPoo]

Wuhan has proven that lockdown can effectively contain the virus, but you don't want YOUR city to be the one locked down. Considering the virus is already everywhere, no one can be sure where he lives is in no danger of needing quarantine. Individuals staying away from each other is much more important than locking down a whole city, and brings less collateral damage (which means saving lives in some cases).

Yes coalboat. In theory people staying away from each other is enough. In theory washing hands is enough.

 That's what every western european nation believed and tried. Look where we are now. This thing is tearing us up. I dont even think it's alternate vectors doing this. I think its that you need lockdowns because otherwise people wont socially isolate. Even with the lockdown, even with the pandemic, some people try to dodge the rules and do their own thing.

People are really, really stupid and selfish yes

[scriver]

We're doing just fine here in Sweden

[TamerVirus]

The navy is dispatching a hospital ship to Manhattan to serve as additional beds 

[Frumple]

all aboard the plague boat whoohoo

Seriously though, probably a good thing. As long as someone didn't go and name it Princess, too.