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[scriver]

I agree. The one in Sweden makes it look like the case is in Svea, when in reality it is in Geatia, which is a very important distinction because Geats are much better than Sveas and thus it's much worse if something happens to them.

Edit: gotta love all the tiny island countries and their perfectly round representation bubble, though. Especially in the southern Caribbean

[ChairmanPoo]

I agree. The one in Sweden makes it look like the case is in Svea, when in reality it is in Geatia, which is a very important distinction because Geats are much better than Sveas and thus it's much worse if something happens to them.

Edit: gotta love all the tiny island countries and their perfectly round representation bubble, though. Especially in the southern Caribbean

Well of course. Fuck the Sveas.

[TamerVirus]

Cases are spreading in Italy now.
Time to bust out those vintage plague masks

[Teneb]

I agree. The one in Sweden makes it look like the case is in Svea, when in reality it is in Geatia, which is a very important distinction because Geats are much better than Sveas and thus it's much worse if something happens to them.

Edit: gotta love all the tiny island countries and their perfectly round representation bubble, though. Especially in the southern Caribbean

Likewise, it looks like there's cases in French Guyana... when it's actually in France but since FG is a colony overseas territory, it looks like the virus has made its way to South America.

[martinuzz]

The incubation period for the virus could be much longer than 14 days.
Authorities from the Chinese province of Hubei report that a man that was tested positive for the virus only began to show signs of illness 27 (!!) days after contracting the virus.
He had visited his sister, who is also infected, in Shennongjia on january 24th.
On the 20th of february he developed a fever.

If this report turns out to be accurate, it will make it much harder to stop the spread of the virus.

Meanwhile in Italy, confirmed cases of infections went up from 16 to 59 within a day.

[TamerVirus]

Italy is now at 76 cases and is now moving towards locking down 11 towns
Now we’ll get to see how a democracy implements large scale quarantine vs an authoritarian state

But doesn’t Italy also have seasonal flu? Shouldn’t they focus on that instead? 

[Frumple]

The incubation period for the virus could be much longer than 14 days.
Authorities from the Chinese province of Hubei report that a man that was tested positive for the virus only began to show signs of illness 27 (!!) days after contracting the virus.
He had visited his sister, who is also infected, in Shennongjia on january 24th.
On the 20th of february he developed a fever.

If this report turns out to be accurate, it will make it much harder to stop the spread of the virus.

Meanwhile in Italy, confirmed cases of infections went up from 16 to 59 within a day.

Last I noticed a extreme edge incubation period of 28-30 days was confirmed like last week or so. Most incidences seem to kick off much sooner than that, though. Least as near as I could parse a 3+ week period was possible, but only a pretty small fraction (memory wants to say <=2%, but could be misremembering) of the infections actually managed it, or something along those lines. Which means that bit isn't as bad as it could be/sounds.

That said, it doesn't need 28 days to be a bit of a nightmare to contain. It's aerosolized and capable of largely asymptomatic spread, as well as not being super deadly or fast acting (also mostly looking like the flu symptoms wise, in the middle of flu season). Even without the lol 3-4 weeks thing it's something that gives a good go at just laughing at containment efforts.

[Il Palazzo]

But doesn’t Italy also have seasonal flu? Shouldn’t they focus on that instead? 

They do, but why 'instead'? Flu is endemic worldwide and will keep killing. In Italy, like in most developed countries, people have access to the seasonal flu vaccine. So they're doing all they can to address that problem. Just like they're doing all they can to address this one, but in this case stopping the spread is still on the table.

The point is not that the existence of flu means the healthcare services should ignore covid-19. The point is that the two are so out of proportion in the number of fatalities, that getting worked up because of covid-19 when year after year you don't care about the flu despite near-identical mode of infection, similar vulnerable populations and fatality rate, is hysteria.

So when I'm telling you 'wake me up when the death toll reaches seasonal flu levels' I'm not calling for cessation of mitigating actions, nor disbelieving that any government will take action as advised by the relevant healthcare organisations. I'm asking you to stop panicking and get some perspective.

[TamerVirus]

Oh man, I sure remember China shutting itself down and sending massive waves in the global supply chain.
I wonder if my country gets a lot of stuff from China.
Who can forget the last time when entire cities we’re placed under lockdown enforced by law?
I sure remember seeing Chinese authorities welding peoples into their apartments last flu season.
Perspective.
Oh man flu season was pretty bad this year, I hear.
I wonder how our healthcare system can handle the flu and a new disease that’s easily as spread as the flu, but is about 20x more more deadly, and where one in five require icu attention to breathe?

[TamerVirus]

I just don’t know anymore

[Trekkin]

Who can forget the last time when entire cities we’re placed under lockdown enforced by law?
I sure remember seeing Chinese authorities welding peoples into their apartments last flu season.

If it were another country, this might be cause for greater concern, but China has a vested political interest in overreacting to this sort of thing. Dropping the hammer like this with an unambiguously good aim in mind lets them justify having the capacity to do so the rest of the time, and the PRC would very much like observers both foreign and domestic to look at the pop-up hospitals and so forth and decide that the rest of their totalitarian bullshit is a necessary sacrifice for the greater good.

[TamerVirus]

Maybe it’s because I live in large coastal metropolis and work in the densely populated Chinatown.
Oh wow it’s busy season! Sure is fun working there 6 days a week.
Oh man, wouldn’t it suck if my family livelihood depended on the economic heath of said Chinatown.
A lot of the staff sure have stocked on face masks

[coalboat]

I think keffiyeh can work in a pinch when there's no face mask.

[Il Palazzo]

Maybe it’s because I live in large coastal metropolis and work in the densely populated Chinatown.
Oh wow it’s busy season! Sure is fun working there 6 days a week.
Oh man, wouldn’t it suck if my family livelihood depended on the economic heath of said Chinatown.
A lot of the staff sure have stocked on face masks

So with one voice you're overreacting to the virus and with another you're concerned about the economic repercussions of other people overreacting to the virus?

[delphonso]

I think keffiyeh can work in a pinch when there's no face mask.

Since Tamer is from the US, wearing a keffiyeh might be more dangerous than the virus...