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[ChairmanPoo]

I still think the vaccine spoilage might be unintentional. They're saying its intentional because he did it twice... but tbh its a somewhat complex to prepare vaccine, and I've met some really stupid people in healthcare. I can believe that guy is dumb enough to fuck it up, try to cover it up because "eh its probably ok", and then fuck up again in the exact same way. Again, I've had the dubious priviledge of working with people like that.

[LordBaal]

If Resident Evil 3 teach anything is preparing vaccines is hard

[hector13]

I still think the vaccine spoilage might be unintentional. They're saying its intentional because he did it twice... but tbh its a somewhat complex to prepare vaccine, and I've met some really stupid people in healthcare. I can believe that guy is dumb enough to fuck it up, try to cover it up because "eh its probably ok", and then fuck up again in the exact same way. Again, I've had the dubious priviledge of working with people like that.

The person involved apparently admitted it was deliberate.

Then again that was through whatever clinic involved, so maybe they felt it was better to defer responsibility as an act of sabotage rather than their incompetence in training their staff.

[MrRoboto75]

If Resident Evil 3 teach anything is preparing vaccines is hard

just stuff some red and green herbs in a tube right

[hector13]

If Resident Evil 3 teach anything is preparing vaccines is hard

just stuff some red and green herbs in a tube right

I think Resident Evil should be viewed through the lens that Chris and Jill and the rest of the STARS squad are tripping balls on good ol’ Arklay herb koosh.

[ChairmanPoo]

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The person involved apparently admitted it was deliberate.

Then again that was through whatever clinic involved, so maybe they felt it was better to defer responsibility as an act of sabotage rather than their incompetence in training their staff.
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See, I found the "he admitted it" thing curious, and did an online search to get details. And things are quite vague, but apparently what he admitted is that it happened twice, not that it was on purpose.  They assumed the "twice" thing meant it was delliberate and reported it as such to the police. But it could be just gross negligence on the man's part. I've met people who are *that* bad.

[wierd]

"never attribute to malice what is adequately explainable by incompetence" and all that...


But honestly.  This is a clinical pharmacist. 


I am a CNA, with significantly less training (than a clinical pharmacist), who's job it is to wipe asses and take vital signs.  Even I know that this vaccine needs to be kept at damn near freezing temperatures during storage and transport, until just ready to be administered, because of how fragile the RNA is.

Now, I could be an outlier that is simply not representative; however, it should be very concerning indeed, that a person who's job it is to wipe asses, is more competent in being informed about the storage and delivery of modern medications than a person who has been specifically trained for many more years, and who's job it is to not only know simple things like this, but also to know how drugs are compounded, and how they can interact as a final check and balance against patients seeing multiple physicians, and getting potentially dangerous combinations prescribed.  If they are not meeting that very simple metric of care, how can they possibly be meeting the metric of care that is required of them?


At some point occam's razor has to indicate that some level of malfeasance is more likely than mere incompetence, because of the many nested levels of incompetence that would be required for such a scenario to manifest.

[ChairmanPoo]

I've had junior doctors who straight up *lied* about doing examinations and seeing patients. Because "eeh, it'd probably be OK". I cannot talk about the healthcare culture in the US, but in the UK and Ireland there's a trend to go the "when in doubt fake it" route.

I can definitely see a pharmacist fucking up the first time, covering it up, and doing it again because he thought nobody noticed and it was easier. In fact, the whole "inconsistent story" that later resulted in an admission to me stank of that.

Some people are just that bad.

[LordBaal]

In this days and age, I think he could just lied about being deliberated in the hopes of perhaps appealing some people instead of just admiting straigth up idiocy and incompetence?

[wierd]

In the US, being under any kind of chemical influence when handling or compounding medications will result in your pharmacist license being permanently suspended.


So, as a consequence, they (pharmacists) tend to not want to admit to anything even remotely resembling being under any kind of debilitating influence that might indicate drug use. (even something as benign as cough syrup.)


There is a lot of burden there, but that burden is commensurate with the responsibility of the vocation.  It must be approached with all due severity.

[ChairmanPoo]

Some levels of severity actually make things worse rather than better. I've read that those kind lf policies in the US result in people trying to cover up addiction problems rather than seek help. Probably fits with the rest of the absurdly punitive US drug policies. 🤷‍♂️

It could be such a case with this guy. Or just gross incompetence. Anything goes, really. There's a dearth of information about this case.

[wierd]

In other countries, we dont have drug commercials being blasted out on public television, with patients asking their doctors "If NEWMED is right" for them.

(or with doctors getting kickbacks for deciding that 'yes, it is right' for them.)


Pharmacists then become a necessary safety net.



Don't get me wrong, there is *A LOT* wrong with US medical care.  I would GREATLY love to see the bullshit dry up and blow away through properly run state healthcare--- but the prevailing conditions being what they are, people in the vocation have a dire need to be awake at the wheel.

[ChairmanPoo]

The question is whether the SOP is having the desired effect or its just there to make it seem something is being done but things are just as bad or worse. Like DARE for instance.

Not that tthings elsewhere are brilliant mind you.

[martinuzz]

Spoke with someone last week, who has an argument not to get a vaccin, for which I had no rebuttal.
It wasn't an uninformed or conspiracy loon argument.

She said "look, I am 27 and I plan on having children.  This vaccin has not been tested on pregnant women.  I'll wait a year or so, I first want to make sure that it does not affect fertility, or the health of a child in my womb".


I kinda can't blame any woman with a child wish if they thought the same and waited with the vaccin.  Even though that would mean we'd not achieve herd immunity for at least another year.

[wierd]

Generally speaking, there is nothing in the vaccine that would cause such a reaction, that is not already found in live, active virus.

(PEG and pals are well understood medically.)

However, there might be complications from mishandled vaccinations... (see also, the UK's *FUCKING 'BRILLIANT' IDEA /s* to mix and match vaccination courses, based on availability, or just incompetent workers keeping off ice too long, etc..) that might have unforeseeable consequences.


Me, I have no reason not to take the vaccine.  I am an asexual male, and fertility is not a concern for me. I am aware of how the vaccine works, and am already going to request a half-hour observation time to assure I do not have a severe reaction. (due to past history of adverse reactions to vaccinations. Pretty much all of the vaccinations I have received after the fact have been uneventful, aside from tetanus jab causing extreme muscle tightness and crippling pain in the injected muscle, above and beyond what is considered a normal reaction, so I am not terribly concerned about the COVID vacc, from a personal risk standpoint. However, I agree that long-term cohort studies have not been conducted, and this is a cause of concern)