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Re: Pure Nomic
« Reply #150 on: September 01, 2019, 01:16:31 pm »

You won't be doing a formatting proposal? Huh. I guess I could try to just copy the style of your first one, the un-added rules backlog goes back to page 8...

Note for Lib: The edited versions of Proposal Titles and Divisions have passed.

Also, Zultan needs to be added to the player list.

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Default Setting(1): Liberonscien
3 Proposal Limit A Day(4): Marbles, Liberonscien, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan
Underline Proposal Titles V1.1(5*): Marbles*, Liberonscien, TTE*, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan
Global Directors V2(4): Marbles, Liberonscien, TTE, Naturegirl1999
Slayer Roleplayer(5): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, Liberonscien, TTE, King Zultan
Consequences(3-1): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, Liberonscien | TTE
Ball(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, Liberonscien, King Zultan
Heirs(4): Liberonscien, TTE, Marbles, Naturegirl1999
Summoning Phantom Rules(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan, TTE
Clarity Law(3): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan

Novoting on Clarity Law, because although the idea's nice I'm not sure it'd work.
What parts do you think won’t work?
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« Reply #151 on: September 01, 2019, 02:10:08 pm »

Nice.
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Re: Pure Nomic
« Reply #152 on: September 01, 2019, 02:38:55 pm »

What’s nice?
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Re: Pure Nomic
« Reply #153 on: September 01, 2019, 07:53:54 pm »

(I want to thank TTE for noting when rules pass or fail, it was a lot of help here.)

PASSES already noted:
No Proposal Wednesdays
RTD Guest Boost V2
Global Director Ruleship
Backup Characters
Citizens

3-0 | Proposal Titles (Condition: Example given not included.) PASSED.
4-0 | 3 Proposal Limit A Day PASSED.
4-0 | Global Directors V2 PASSED.
3-0 | Divisions V1.1 PASSED.
1-0 | Default Setting FAILED.
3-0 | Underline Proposal Titles V1.1 PASSED.
5-0 | Slayer Roleplayer PASSED.
3-1 | Consequences FAILED.
4-0 | Ball PASSED.
4-0 | Heirs PASSED.

A collection of current rules exactly as proposed.

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[b]ALPHA RULES:[/b][list type=decimal][li]
All Global Directors must agree to changes to the game.
[/li][li]
Global Director limit of 6.
[/li][li]
After 48 hours all rules with at least one non-proposer yes vote are automatically accepted if unopposed.
[/li][li]
The OP must update the original post.
[/li][li]
[url=http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174557.0]Character Creation[/url]
[quote]Name:
Appearance:
Goal:
Aligned Entity:
(Add more if desired)[/quote]
[/li][li]
Any new rule that requires the OP to do something, must have OP consent. And can be removed by them later.
[/li][li]
There are two classes of rules: Alpha rules, which govern the Nomic; and Beta rules, which govern any in-game games. Alpha rules are to be listed under an Alpha header. Beta rules are to be listed under a Beta header. Alpha rules are to be referred to as Alpha-1, Alpha-2, and so on. Beta rules are to be referred to in a similar way. Alpha rules overrule Beta rules.
[/li][li]
Disputes can be resolved with RTD Gladiator battles, hosted by a referee. The competitors would agree on one, or one would be chosen randomly if they couldn't. Anyone that volunteered to do it.
[/li][li]
If a Global Director does not post to the thread for three days than they can be killed by any Global Director, and if killed are no longer signed up. They may resign/respawn at any time. If there is an open slot still.
[/li][li]
In the case of the OP being unavailable for three days then all active Global Directors can vote on a replacement OP and make a new thread. When this happens the new OP must link to the previous thread in their OP and to the next thread in their last post in the old thread. OP is assumed to have left the game.
[/li][li]
All characters must be aligned with an entity of their choice. This entity may be an individual (see clause B), a specimen of flora or fauna, an organization, or a deity (see clause C).
Clause B: The individual may be the character itself.
Clause C: The deity must be from a pre-existing (see clause C.A) religion or fictional work.
Clause C.A: Pre-existing, for the sake of this rule, means before the character was made.
[/li][li]
Global Directors may earn points in a manner determined by the rule set. The purpose of said points shall be determined by the rule set. You can trade points. Upon your death you lose all your points.
[/li][li]
Wednesdays you cannot propose any new rules or rule revisions.
[/li][li]
The host of matches in the RTD thread may, at their own discretion, allow guests in the RTD thread, at intervals determined by the rule set, to vote to give their favorite Global Directors boosts. The form these boosts will take will be randomly selected from a list. This list will be provided by the Global Directors in a way determined by the rule set.
[/li][li]
The Global Directors rule over willing non-Global Directors. The means for this is to be determined by the rule set.
[/li][li]
Global Directors can create multiple characters, but only one character can be active at a time. When the active character dies, GD can choose which of their backup characters takes the Acive character’s place upon death. Backup characters do not start with what the Active character had upon death
[/li][li]
Guests may register to the game as Citizens by posting to the thread "I, [Username], register to the thread as a citizen and understand that my position is below the Global Directors.".
[/li][li]
All proposals must be given a concise title by their proposer for referential purposes.
[/li][li]
You may only make 3 proposals a day. A proposal may contain multiple new rules and or rule revisions, but Global Directors vote for or against an entire proposal. You may edit a proposal if it doesn't have any non-proposer votes. You may spend X-2 points to make an additional proposal, where X equals your total number of proposals today before your next one.
[/li][li]
If you posted in the thread between the last two Wednesdays, you gain 10 Points.
[/li][li]
Excluding this one, instances in rules(past and future) of the word "player" and "players" are to be replaced with the title "Global Director" and "Global Directors". All Global Directors are assigned the number of the player slot they fill. They may change number if that slot is open. They have the option to take a concise nickname. (GD-1 "Clockwork", for example.)
[/li][li]
There exist in-game organizations called "Divisions". Each Division is ruled over by a Global Director who may structure it as they see fit, within the rule set. Each Citizen must choose a Division to be a part of. Divisions are numbered in accordance with the GD who initially starts it.
[/li][li]
When proposing you must underlined the first use of the proposal title.
[/li][li]
If you kill a Global Director you must describe your character slaying theirs.
[/li][li]
There is a ball. If you have it you can pass it to another Global Director. The OP starts with the ball and get's it back after 72 hours without someone passing it.
[/li][li]
Each member of the game, Global Director, Citizen, or otherwise, may, at their discretion, designate heirs for their points and other possessions in special documents called "Wills". Wills may be as detailed as desired and may be conditional.
[/li][/list]

[b]BETA RULES:[/b]
[list type=lower-roman][li]
(Rules not yet officially classified.)
[/li][li]
(Rules not yet officially classified.)
[/li][/list]

[b]GLOBAL DIRECTORS:[/b][list type=decimal][li]
Liberonscien
[/li][li]
Marbles (roseheart)
[/li][li]
The_Two_Eternities
[/li][li]
Naturegirl1999
[/li][li]
Eschar
[/li][li]
King Zultan
[/li][/list]

ALPHA RULES:
  • All Global Directors must agree to changes to the game.
  • Global Director limit of 6.
  • After 48 hours all rules with at least one non-proposer yes vote are automatically accepted if unopposed.
  • The OP must update the original post.
  • Character Creation
    Quote
    Name:
    Appearance:
    Goal:
    Aligned Entity:
    (Add more if desired)
  • Any new rule that requires the OP to do something, must have OP consent. And can be removed by them later.
  • There are two classes of rules: Alpha rules, which govern the Nomic; and Beta rules, which govern any in-game games. Alpha rules are to be listed under an Alpha header. Beta rules are to be listed under a Beta header. Alpha rules are to be referred to as Alpha-1, Alpha-2, and so on. Beta rules are to be referred to in a similar way. Alpha rules overrule Beta rules.
  • Disputes can be resolved with RTD Gladiator battles, hosted by a referee. The competitors would agree on one, or one would be chosen randomly if they couldn't. Anyone that volunteered to do it.
  • If a Global Director does not post to the thread for three days than they can be killed by any Global Director, and if killed are no longer signed up. They may resign/respawn at any time. If there is an open slot still.
  • In the case of the OP being unavailable for three days then all active Global Directors can vote on a replacement OP and make a new thread. When this happens the new OP must link to the previous thread in their OP and to the next thread in their last post in the old thread. OP is assumed to have left the game.
  • All characters must be aligned with an entity of their choice. This entity may be an individual (see clause B), a specimen of flora or fauna, an organization, or a deity (see clause C).
    Clause B: The individual may be the character itself.
    Clause C: The deity must be from a pre-existing (see clause C.A) religion or fictional work.
    Clause C.A: Pre-existing, for the sake of this rule, means before the character was made.
  • Global Directors may earn points in a manner determined by the rule set. The purpose of said points shall be determined by the rule set. You can trade points. Upon your death you lose all your points.
  • Wednesdays you cannot propose any new rules or rule revisions.
  • The host of matches in the RTD thread may, at their own discretion, allow guests in the RTD thread, at intervals determined by the rule set, to vote to give their favorite Global Directors boosts. The form these boosts will take will be randomly selected from a list. This list will be provided by the Global Directors in a way determined by the rule set.
  • The Global Directors rule over willing non-Global Directors. The means for this is to be determined by the rule set.
  • Global Directors can create multiple characters, but only one character can be active at a time. When the active character dies, GD can choose which of their backup characters takes the Acive character’s place upon death. Backup characters do not start with what the Active character had upon death
  • Guests may register to the game as Citizens by posting to the thread "I, [Username], register to the thread as a citizen and understand that my position is below the Global Directors.".
  • All proposals must be given a concise title by their proposer for referential purposes.
  • You may only make 3 proposals a day. A proposal may contain multiple new rules and or rule revisions, but Global Directors vote for or against an entire proposal. You may edit a proposal if it doesn't have any non-proposer votes. You may spend X-2 points to make an additional proposal, where X equals your total number of proposals today before your next one.
  • If you posted in the thread between the last two Wednesdays, you gain 10 Points.
  • Excluding this one, instances in rules(past and future) of the word "player" and "players" are to be replaced with the title "Global Director" and "Global Directors". All Global Directors are assigned the number of the player slot they fill. They may change number if that slot is open. They have the option to take a concise nickname. (GD-1 "Clockwork", for example.)
  • There exist in-game organizations called "Divisions". Each Division is ruled over by a Global Director who may structure it as they see fit, within the rule set. Each Citizen must choose a Division to be a part of. Divisions are numbered in accordance with the GD who initially starts it.
  • When proposing you must underlined the first use of the proposal title.
  • If you kill a Global Director you must describe your character slaying theirs.
  • There is a ball. If you have it you can pass it to another Global Director. The OP starts with the ball and get's it back after 72 hours without someone passing it.
  • Each member of the game, Global Director, Citizen, or otherwise, may, at their discretion, designate heirs for their points and other possessions in special documents called "Wills". Wills may be as detailed as desired and may be conditional.

BETA RULES:
  • (Rules not yet officially classified.)
  • (Rules not yet officially classified.)

GLOBAL DIRECTORS:
  • Liberonscien
  • Marbles (roseheart)
  • The_Two_Eternities
  • Naturegirl1999
  • Eschar
  • King Zultan
. . .

The rule "Any new rule that requires the OP to do something, must have OP consent. And can be removed by them later."... seems to have been removed from the OP. I don't think that could have been done within the current rules. This rule does not apply to itself as it does not require the OP to do anything, only grants them new powers. Not sure if OP is being cheeky or a simple mistake. I put it back.

You are not a slave, sir!


Ending Later Today

None.


Ending Tomorrow

Summoning Phantom Rules
I support this. These implied rules need to be in ink.

Clarity Law
I support this. The lack of this has already caused confusion.


New

Library Card

New Rule: If you wish to make a proposal that does not effect game mechanics, and that does not increase the total number of rules, put "Bookkeeping: " before the rest of the proposal title and this does not count against your daily proposal limit. Proposals that do not qualify must not have the word "Bookkeeping" in the title. You may only have up to 10 pending Bookkeeping proposals at any one time.

Reason: This leniency is so that efforts to merge piecemeal rules or word obtuse rules more simply, these types of changes don't need to be one big proposal that may fail for opposition to parts of it.

Global Settings

New Rule: Each Global Director has complete control over their own planet, and may choose the setting. They may have a link placed in the OP to one thread for the world.
New Rule: A Global Director's avatar can change from world to world to conform to the setting. The avatar can be killed by the world's Global Director upon losing a Gladiator Duel they agree to participate in against another Global Director. Global Directors must roleplay their character traveling by some method of their choosing when going from one world to another, and there is a minimum travel time of 15 minutes. Global Directors are always able to post freely in this thread, no matter what world their avatar is on.
New Rule: A Global Director may create duplicates of themselves to be on multiple worlds simultaneously, but if any Duplicate dies, they all do. If the Global Director that died respawns, the Global Directors of the worlds in which they had duplicates have the option to permit them to continue as if nothing ever happened. If duplicates travel to the same world they merge into the one that most recently active on the planet, and they do not need to roleplay arriving.
Rule Revision: If you kill a Global Director you must describe your character slaying theirs and must have an Avatar or Duplicate on the same planet as one of theirs.

Reason: Where's my globe!? I tried to make a compromise for those that want to play on multiple worlds(like King Zultan/Burt), but also have valid reason to choose not duplicate yourself(less ways to die) for those that want a persistent adventure with one character.

Consequences Polished

New Rule: An accuser, who doesn't need to be a Global Director, must make an accusation by posting a Global Director's nickname in bold red font, and any supporting evidence of that Global Director having broken any rules. After posting the accusation the trial will last 48 hours, and there is no limit to the number of active trials. Any Global Director can support the accusation by suggesting a penalty; this can be death, a point fee of some amount and who it would go to if anyone, or both, or nothing at all. If 3 or more non-accuser Global Directors support the accusation when the trial has ended the defendant must suffer the penalty. The third highest penalty is to be enforced, going by death as the maximum and the number of points lost as the secondary scale. The Global Director to suggest the punishment is to carry it out within 1 week of the trial ending. Global Directors can change their suggested punishment or withdraw their support as desired throughout the trial.

Reason: Rules don't mean anything if they are not enforced. And my belief is that perhaps this proposal will make it so new rules are more carefully worded, and reviewed.


Wishes For The Future

Mafia-like Abilities
Like night actions/consumable items. Just seems cool.

World Building
Travel from place to place. In style.

Bookkeeping.
So much bookkeeping.

Quote from: Votes
Default Setting(1): Liberonscien
3 Proposal Limit A Day(4): Marbles, Liberonscien, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan
Underline Proposal Titles V1.1(5*): Marbles*, Liberonscien, TTE*, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan
Global Directors V2(4): Marbles, Liberonscien, TTE, Naturegirl1999
Slayer Roleplayer(5): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, Liberonscien, TTE, King Zultan
Consequences(3-1): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, Liberonscien | TTE
Ball(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, Liberonscien, King Zultan
Heirs(4): Liberonscien, TTE, Marbles, Naturegirl1999
Summoning Phantom Rules(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan, TTE
Clarity Law(3): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan

Quote from: Points/Ball
Liberonscien: 10, Ball
Marbles: 10
TTE: 10
Naturegirl1999: 10
King Zultan: 10

Quote from: Heirs
Marbles: A clone of myself that will receive a copy of my memories.

Edit: Fixed some stuff, didn't touch the proposals, except what was stated in my next post.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2019, 01:25:34 pm by roseheart »
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Re: Pure Nomic
« Reply #154 on: September 01, 2019, 08:07:25 pm »

You know, I really do need to start proposing bookkeeping stuff.

(Unrelated: Is Eschar dead yet?)

(Also uhh roseheart why aren't you listed as voting for Summoning Phantom Rules and Clarity Law?)
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Summoning Phantom Rules(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan, TTE
Clarity Law(3): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan
Library Card(2): roseheart, TTE
Global Settings(1): roseheart
Consequences Polished(1): roseheart
Novoting on Global Settings because I don't really care.
Novoting on Consequences Polished because I'm still irrationally disapproving of the word "must", and I don't quite get the rationale for taking the third highest punishment.
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« Reply #155 on: September 01, 2019, 08:09:46 pm »

FYI I revised Global Setting a minute after your post. The change was a rule revision added at the end.
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« Reply #156 on: September 01, 2019, 08:23:50 pm »

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Summoning Phantom Rules(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan, TTE
Clarity Law(3): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan
Library Card(3): roseheart, TTE, naturegirl1999
Global Settings(1): roseheart, naturegirl1999
Consequences Polished(2): roseheart, naturegirl1999
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« Reply #157 on: September 01, 2019, 10:45:54 pm »

While I'd love to be part of this game as a GD, I don't think I'll have the time to contribute much. :(

Bookkeeping:
Proposal: Eschar Recycling Proposal
As I therefore won't be able to be a GD, my GD slot shall be passed to someone else.
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Re: Pure Nomic
« Reply #158 on: September 01, 2019, 11:27:25 pm »

Thank you for leaving.
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« Reply #159 on: September 02, 2019, 07:23:29 am »

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Summoning Phantom Rules(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan, TTE
Clarity Law(3): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan
Library Card(4): roseheart, TTE, naturegirl1999, King Zultan
Global Settings(2): roseheart, naturegirl1999
Consequences Polished(3): roseheart, naturegirl1999, King Zultan
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« Reply #160 on: September 02, 2019, 09:54:52 am »

Quote from: Votebox
Summoning Phantom Rules(5): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan, TTE, Liberonscien
Clarity Law(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan, Liberonscien
Library Card(5): roseheart, TTE, naturegirl1999, King Zultan, Liberonscien
Global Settings(3): roseheart, naturegirl1999, Liberonscien
Consequences Polished(4): roseheart, naturegirl1999, King Zultan, Liberonscien
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Re: Pure Nomic
« Reply #161 on: September 02, 2019, 10:16:38 am »

Eschar's left (so can you remove him from the OP, Lib?), so Summoning Phantom Rules and Library Card actually have unanimous agreement for once.
Exact text:
"New rule: Every rule added, should be done exactly as proposed. Exceptions include: removal or addition of BBC formatting, removal or addition of indentation and spacing, removal of proposal clarifying text, and if the rule is effected by another rule.
New rule: If the proposer of a pending rule no longer supports it, it should be removed from the vote.
New rule: Conditional rules get a chance at passing whether or not the original rule passes or fails. After the original rule is passed, the descendant can be treated like a revision rule, but if the original rule fails, the descendant can still have a chance as a new rule."
and
"New Rule: If you wish to make a proposal that does not effect game mechanics, and that does not increase the total number of rules, put "Bookkeeping: " before the rest of the proposal title and this does not count against your daily proposal limit. Proposals that do not qualify must not have the word "Bookkeeping" in the title. You may only have up to 10 pending Bookkeeping proposals at any one time."

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Clarity Law(4): Marbles, Naturegirl1999, King Zultan, Liberonscien
Global Settings(3): roseheart, naturegirl1999, Liberonscien
Consequences Polished(4): roseheart, naturegirl1999, King Zultan, Liberonscien
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Re: Pure Nomic
« Reply #162 on: September 02, 2019, 01:21:05 pm »

*facepalm*

I can't believe I didn't put the example into the code box, sorry for leaving you to fish it out of a quote OP. For future reference I am going to edit it in, and correct a few other mistakes in the post.

I won't edit the proposals, and I will probably make proposals a secondary post in the future. There probably should be rule that prevents editing a post that contains proposals after someone else cast a vote, even if not for that proposal, since they may oppose(or support) the new one.


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Re: Pure Nomic
« Reply #163 on: September 03, 2019, 04:51:05 pm »

Well I am really excited to now be able to say officially, that I have completed the first practice RTD Gladiator Duel. Congrats to Burt and Elra for being the first.

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8. Disputes can be resolved with RTD Gladiator battles, hosted by a referee. The competitors would agree on one, or one would be chosen randomly if they couldn't. Anyone that volunteered to do it.
Now I feel confident to offer myself as a referee. If there is a dispute, such as the translation of a rule, or perhaps some weird edge case or something. If I am selected to be your referee, even if there are multiple people involved, this is a 1 on 1 match, so a group will have to choose a hero.

You may informally resolve disputes if you wish with a practice match. But to get my official ruling it must be a match to the death. There's nothing to stop someone from going back on their word if it's just sparring.


Matches are to be resolved with competitors that are either a Global Director, or a citizen that agrees to fight on their behalf.
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« Reply #164 on: September 03, 2019, 07:34:02 pm »

Also, I was thinking about travel from world to world, and how each pair of worlds could have a special method of travel.

I don't know what it would look like going from Pokémon to Roman Colusseum (time travel?). I was thinking of a rule involving this, but wanted to get your opinion first, as you and I are the only Pure Nomic worlds, except maybe the main thread itself. What do you think?

Also are all Pokemon trainers, young children?

We can talk in the main thread, in PM, or even Discord if you prefer. Or if you just want to make a quick answer here.

We can talk on the main thread. There are a few legendary Pokémon that have the ability to time travel. There is also a Pokémon move, teleport, so maybe that can be used as well? Driftblim is a ghost type flying type Pokémon that looks like a hot air balloon, maybe people can use Driftblim for transportation? Being ghost types they wouldn’t have to worry about the traditional hazards of space

I guess we should decide if we want every globe(world) to be in the same universe, or take place in different dimensions. Some pros:

Different Planets in same Space
I really like the idea of grabbing a personal spaceship and hoping around.

Different Dimensions of same Planet
Can be portals and other quirky ways of travel.
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