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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Design Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #405 on: March 14, 2020, 07:23:56 pm »

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« Reply #406 on: March 14, 2020, 11:36:33 pm »

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Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #407 on: March 25, 2020, 01:29:46 am »

Design Phase, Hot Season 1940 AC

Proposal: M2 Laweano
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Though the original Laweano design was a failure half due to execution and half due to an unexpected property of refocyte rearing its head at an ugly moment, wide agreement among Inithari engineers was that the design was worth trying again and was necessary to the war effort, especially as the one-sided nature of the conflict’s artillery proved to be devastating on a continued basis. The rework proved to be something of a refocyte-fellowship-focused endeavor, as the original engineer’s design was taken largely wholesale and merely added minorly to. Though the project is internally referred to as the Laweano-B, in order to distinguish it from the previous failed attempt, it’s still just called the Laweano once released, since there’s not exactly a Laweano-A out on the battlefields.

The gun design is to use a 5 meter L41 barrel fitted with two parallel rails running down its length and lying on the horizontal axis and a catapult ring around them. The rails, known as the leads, are attached to a lever mechanism allowing them to be pulled further into the weapon, thus reducing the exposed lead length with the same effect as a lighter charge in a conventional artillery gun (variable muzzle velocity and thus range), as well as allowing for the leads to be replaced upon expenditure – to be recharged or recycled. The piece is breech-loaded with a lock that opens and closes the breech in a single movement of a lever. The ammunition for the gun is caseless, consisting purely of the shell, and is rammed directly into the firing chamber, where the catapults clamp it in place and are ready to engage the starting position. The firing hammer is implemented as part of the locking mechanism and is actuated by a continuous pull of a firing lever on the side of the gun assembly, at the gunner’s position.

Ramming the shell home is followed by notching the power lever by a given amount, as required by the range, with the kinetic energy varying with lead length in increments given on the side next to the lever position (leading to theoretical maximum range of 25.7 km for a 30 kg projectile at 40° going at 800 m/s, given that’s the muzzle velocity I’d personally cut it off at; assumind Cd = 0.4, h = 500 mm). Once the range setting is set, the leads are locked in place and the firing mechanism unlocked. When obtaining a firing solution, the gunman can quickly calculate the weapon’s range given the use of a manual and the marked mass of the projectile. An experienced crew should be capable of performing this process roughly 17–20 times per minute, if not more, owing to the shorter procedure and smaller weight of the shells used in comparison to conventional cannons of a similar role.

The “vee”-shaped split-trail lower carriage features an integral two-wheel axle and a four-wheel limber supporting the trails for transport (with two wheels per trail, near the end), and houses the suspension for the gun piece. The upper carriage includes the gun cradle, which connects the gun assembly to the upper carriage; gun plate, the side frames for the bearings, pintle-mounted seats for the operators, and the azimuthal and elevating gearing that make up the traversing mechanism. When not in use, the gun’s trails can be brought together and locked up so as to be moved manually by the crew or towed by a Wikiwiki transport car.

Despite the piece being capable of firing any shell that'd fit within its breech, High Command insisted shell types be listed. Production lines for 120 mm AP, HE, Smoke and Refocyte shells are to be made operational for the weapon. Given these shells are already in use with the army in multiple roles, this isn't a major innovation where the design is concerned, but needed to be mentioned.

As for the edits performed by the second member of the Refocyte-smiths’ Fellowship that requested to take on the task of adjusting the design for a second try... there are two. The first is just a simple addition of rubber in common-sense locations, like any places where refocyte and other materials or other refocyte are expected to impact. The second adjustment was a more focused instance of refocyte work; discovering that the throughput, rather than initial energy travel speed, of nickel wire for refocyte energy is dependent upon its cross-section, the nickel wire that connects the traveling portion of the Longpact mechanism to the rails was thinned to a cross-section calculated to ensure a constant flow of just enough energy to allow the plate to perform the multiple discharges that the mechanism requires without flat-out exploding. This wire is encased in a hard but thin case behind and around the traveling portion of the pact mechanism, allowing the thin wire to maintain consistent contact with the rails (and, thanks to the ring-to-rails design, hopefully not long enough to cause any serious firing delay issues).

Difficulty: Very Hard Hard
Result: (3+2)-1=4, Poor


The Laweano 120mm is a relatively heavy artillery piece meant to be transported rapidly in accordance to typical Initharian battle doctrines. Shells are pushed into the breech and secured in the catapult which is activated by the same lever used to close the breechblock to launch towards the rubber-padded muzzle of the barrel. A ratcheting system prevents the catapult from flying in the wrong direction or launching back toward the breech at firing speeds to reduce wear and tear on the already stressed internal components. This means a manual cranking of the launching mechanism is required to reset it, eating into valuable time in a warzone. The refocyte rails within the gun can be adjusted with a hand-turned wheel to adjust the length of time, and therefore overall speed, munitions are launched with, making range adjustment with caseless artillery possible. The weapon is capable of launching munitions to a range of 18km, with shells coming in AP, HE, Refocyte, and Smoke, though the refocyte rounds are the only ones that can be clearly identified on the fly, with small colored dots on the bottoms of the others signifying what they are.

As hinted at above, the interior of the Laweano is more complex than your typical artillery piece, and suffers for it. Parts tend to break under frequent use, and the guns require almost consistent repair and replacement. This not only hinders overall effectiveness of the weapon, but increases maintenance costs drastically.

But at least it doesn't explode after a single shot.

The Laweano 120mm costs 7 Ore and 7 Refocyte, making it (VERY EXPENSIVE).


Proposal: NM2 Lehe
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The Lehe is a vicious piece of work, totally reworked compared to the mediocre torpedoes we now wield. The Lehe is expected to function much like our sonar in that its addition to ships that can use it represents an addition of about 1 or maybe even 2 Refocyte to the final cost... but this is put to good use. Firstly, instead of a traditional engine, the Lehe uses a small supercharged coilengine to propel itself, making it both faster and quieter than the traditional torpedo, but that’s not where the power of the Lehe really lies. Instead of containing a normal warhead, the Lehe takes advantage of the lack of need for fuel space to be composed of two layers of refocyte: a charged core of higher-purity refocyte, and a much thinner layer of low-purity refocyte, covered by a steel shell to prevent it from being triggered by its travel through the water. When the torpedo hits, a cylinder of nickel fits between the two layers, causing the core to rapidly dump all of its energy into the outer, low-purity shell of refocyte... and therefore detonate catastrophically, all of that refocyte energy traveling into the water omnidirectionally. With water being an excellent medium for force, it is hoped that this creates a devastating and wide blast of force, still being extremely damaging even on a hit to a non-critical edge area of the enemy ship.

The standalone version of the Lehe sports a magnetic proximity fuze, arming on a short timer after launch and detonating on proximity with the metal of enemy ships — the idea is that with how well the refocyte force emitted by the explosion should carry, even near misses should be devastating, especially under ships.

Until such a point that a ship with torpedo tubes designed with the Lehe in mind is built (which is intended to be within the same season with this standalone design, as the standalone torpedo assumes that a Ho’oweliweli revision will follow) but not all plans come into fruition), the Lehe comes with deck-mounted torpedo launchers to be installed on craft smaller than the battleship level.

Difficulty: Very Hard
Result: (6+6)-2=10, Superior

The structure of the NM2 Lehe torpedo can be separated into several parts; from the front, warhead, front float, engine compartment, rear float, tail rudders, and screw propellers. The engine is a Supercharged Coilengine as one should expect from high-quality Initharian craftsmanship, propelling the torpedo at fairly absurd speeds of up to 60 knots. But that is not where the most extreme absurdity of the NM2 really lies.

The warhead, which takes up a large portion of the forward end of the torpedo, is made up of a two-stage refocyte mechanism with one high-purity precharged core and a thin casing of low-purity refocyte (all within the steel head of the torpedo). The low-purity casing has a series of nickel studs facing inward but not in contact with the high-purity core. The core is instead held in place by a rubber-coated steel nub. The steel nub contains a small charge that separates itself and the core from the body of the torpedo, set off either impact or a magnetic fuse, which causes the core to contact any number of the nickel studs and rapidly dump it's stored energy into the low-purity casing. The casing then tends to detonate to frightening effect, amplified by the explosive force being within water. The blast, equivalent to 500 kilograms of high explosives, is expected to give a bad end to the day for anything that sets it off.

The NM2 Lehe costs 4 Ore and 6 Refocyte, making it (EXPENSIVE). As such, the Lehe will see a fair amount of use, supplemented by our old world torpedoes until such a time that we can cheapen their production.

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As we move to the next phase, I will remind you all of the lore contest at the end of this turn. You must write/draw/sing/act or otherwise create in some form something representing what happens to Kai after the results of last combat phase. Due to a reduction in budgetary restrictions you are also being given two revisions during the revision phases of this game until I decide to take your happiness away.

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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #408 on: March 25, 2020, 08:17:16 am »

M2 Lawaneo Hydraulic Simplification

By adding two hydraulic, rubber tipped shock absorbers to the mechanism, we aim to simplify and remove the ratcheting system for catapult return, replacing it instead with a a simple paid of shock absorbers that automatically move into place when the catapult reaches the end of the rails. Each shock absorber is rated for a catapult return using the entire length of the firing rails. To clear the shocks, a ratcheting lever on the base of the gun moves them out of place, though holding the lever down won't stop them from engaging.
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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #409 on: May 08, 2020, 05:38:23 pm »

M1 "Pohū Ringa" Dual-Purpose Grenade
Our soldiers have needed a leg up when it comes to building clearing for a while now, and with the Lehe providing us with a remarkably effective refocyte based explosive the path forward is obvious.
The Pohū Ringa is basically a scaled down Lehe warhead, roughly 60mm in diameter and 100mm in length, with a 5 second mechanical fuze in place of the magnetic fuze. One of the more unusual aspects of the Pohū Ringa, and the reason for its designation, is that it comes with a detachable fragmentation belt that goes over its rubber coating, this means it can be used as a frag grenade and an HE grenade, giving the user much more tactical capabilities than either an HE or frag on their own would.
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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #410 on: May 08, 2020, 05:50:30 pm »

M2 Laweano Deratcheting

The M2 Laweano, although now functional in the ways it strictly needs to be, has a few major issues that prove to be obstacles to further major development. Given the plans for combating the Harren Pact in the near future, this is an issue that needs to be dealt with. Accordingly, the ratcheting system has been replaced with three subsystems, which are each so much smaller and simpler that they should hopefully avoid some of the complexity issues of the current Laweano.

First: A spring is placed at the back of the gun, doing one aspect of the ratcheting system's job, acting as a buffer that prevents the catapult from making contact with the back of the gun upon return (even if there's rubber there, it's just good policy to prevent repeated impacts that might damage the catapult).

Second: A safety is placed, which is just a rod that can be slotted into the barrel to physically stop the catapult if it slides downwards when the gun is being carried. As the artillery really shouldn't be pointed downwards except potentially during transport, this should not interfere with the gun's operation at all.

Third: Perhaps most importantly, there is a second attempt made at returning the catapult down the barrel through a relatively small refocyte plate at the front. This refocyte plate is covered in rubber and is activated by a button that the catapult hits at the end of its firing -- the button connects a nickel contact between this plate and the rail, and has a small lever sandwiched between the rubber and the plate trigger the plate. As rubber only nullifies the refocyte charge and discharge aspect of kinetic energy through it, the kinetic energy itself still travels through and pushes the catapult, sending it backwards with a charge strong enough to move it back to the ready position near the back of the barrel, but weak enough to avoid damage. This doesn't make the artillery automatic, as some action is still needed to reload, and the return plate still needs a little time to charge (albeit not as much time as the cranking takes) but it does automate the return process and make it quicker.
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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #411 on: May 08, 2020, 06:15:45 pm »

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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #412 on: May 08, 2020, 07:21:16 pm »

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M1 Pohū Ringa: (2) Doomblade, Powder Miner
M2 Laweano Deratcheting: (2) Doomblade, Powder Miner
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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #413 on: May 09, 2020, 06:27:09 pm »

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M1 Pohū Ringa: (3) Doomblade, Powder Miner, Twinwolf
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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #414 on: May 13, 2020, 03:35:37 pm »

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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #415 on: May 14, 2020, 06:26:26 pm »


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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Revision Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #416 on: May 15, 2020, 12:14:37 am »

"Liona MKI" Refocyte pumpjet:
The refocyte pump-jet generates propulsion by utilizing a multistage centrifugal pump powered by an array of standard rotary motors.
It also has a thrust vectoring system to maximize manuverability.
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Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Strategy Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #417 on: May 15, 2020, 11:33:47 pm »

Revision Phase, Hot Season 1940 AC

Proposal: M2 Laweano Deratcheting
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The M2 Laweano, although now functional in the ways it strictly needs to be, has a few major issues that prove to be obstacles to further major development. Given the plans for combating the Harren Pact in the near future, this is an issue that needs to be dealt with. Accordingly, the ratcheting system has been replaced with three subsystems, which are each so much smaller and simpler that they should hopefully avoid some of the complexity issues of the current Laweano.

First: A spring is placed at the back of the gun, doing one aspect of the ratcheting system's job, acting as a buffer that prevents the catapult from making contact with the back of the gun upon return (even if there's rubber there, it's just good policy to prevent repeated impacts that might damage the catapult).

Second: A safety is placed, which is just a rod that can be slotted into the barrel to physically stop the catapult if it slides downwards when the gun is being carried. As the artillery really shouldn't be pointed downwards except potentially during transport, this should not interfere with the gun's operation at all.

Third: Perhaps most importantly, there is a second attempt made at returning the catapult down the barrel through a relatively small refocyte plate at the front. This refocyte plate is covered in rubber and is activated by a button that the catapult hits at the end of its firing -- the button connects a nickel contact between this plate and the rail, and has a small lever sandwiched between the rubber and the plate trigger the plate. As rubber only nullifies the refocyte charge and discharge aspect of kinetic energy through it, the kinetic energy itself still travels through and pushes the catapult, sending it backwards with a charge strong enough to move it back to the ready position near the back of the barrel, but weak enough to avoid damage. This doesn't make the artillery automatic, as some action is still needed to reload, and the return plate still needs a little time to charge (albeit not as much time as the cranking takes) but it does automate the return process and make it quicker.

Difficulty: Hard Normal
Result: (2+2)=4, Poor

While the things we were trying to do weren't that difficult, somehow the restructuring of the catapult mechanisms within the Laweano proved to be an issue. Springs help alleviate impacts of the catapult over extended periods of time. We included the desire for a safety rod, and even managed to redo the catapult return mechanisms!

However, in the process of fixing our problems we wound up creating another. The catapult doesn't always return evenly on both rails, and this uneven return can cause a jam that, thanks to having refocyte construction, can prove time-consuming to fix safely. Still, in general the rate of fire of the M2 Laweano averages around 12 RPM as opposed to the half-dozen a gun might get off if it had a fast cranker.

The M2 "Laweano" 120mm retains it's price, reflecting the cost for steady parts replacement cycling over to a need for occasional catastrophic repair.

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Proposal: M1 "Pohū Ringa" Dual Purpose Grenade
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Our soldiers have needed a leg up when it comes to building clearing for a while now, and with the Lehe providing us with a remarkably effective refocyte based explosive the path forward is obvious.
The Pohū Ringa is basically a scaled down Lehe warhead, roughly 60mm in diameter and 100mm in length, with a 5 second mechanical fuze in place of the magnetic fuze. One of the more unusual aspects of the Pohū Ringa, and the reason for its designation, is that it comes with a detachable fragmentation belt that goes over its rubber coating, this means it can be used as a frag grenade and an HE grenade, giving the user much more tactical capabilities than either an HE or frag on their own would.

Difficulty: Hard
Result: (6+4)-1=9, Above Average

While some Inithari Quartermasters have expressed extreme distaste at how much equipment is dubbed "M1", we don't think they have the power to make our jobs harder for us if we don't listen. I'm sure the would never do something like fill the beginning of a report with nonsense to waste our time and brainpower.

The Pohū Ringa uses concepts gleaned from our refocyte work with explosive reactions, and the results, well, they're explosive too.

These rubber-skinned "hand torpedoes" utilize a pin and safety lever to prevent accidental discharge. When the pin is removed and lever released, a five second mechanical timer triggers. At the end of those five seconds a pin holding the charged refocyte in place releases, causing the core to contact a nickel lead and rapidly dump it's stored energy into a low-purity shell. The shell detonates with a significant amount of sheer force, with the concussive blast guaranteeing fatalities within five meters and injuries within fifteen. When used in an enclosed space the results can be terrifying.

A frag cap can be slid over the Pohū Ringa. It's a thin steel cover that provides extra shrapnel upon grenade detonation. This greatly extends lethal range, but not reliably so.

The M1 "Pohū Ringa" Dual Purpose Grenade costs 4 Refocyte and 2 Ore, making it (CHEAP).

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As always, remember to assign a resource node as well as any National Efforts to appropriate sectors. You have two Attack actions as always, and also remember that this is the last chance to submit lore for the contest as outlined in a previous update!

IT IS NOW THE STRATEGY PHASE.

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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Strategy Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #418 on: May 16, 2020, 11:01:25 am »

Future Design Proposal: M2 Mea Nānā (Means Explorer according to powoder)

Based on the mechanical design of the Lawaneo, the Lawaneo-S is a refocyte machine gun that fires 8mm standard rifle rounds. To do so, the Lawaneo mechanism is further adapted to a new context. The firing rails are of fixed length now, which makes the calculations for catapult velocity much simpler, and allows a fixed rail alignment, hopefully removing the jamming issue that recently arose. The return mechanism has also been changed - the catapult, upon being returned by the end lever, runs back into the receiver. The receiver's contact surface is covered in thicc rubber, and the impact from the catapult pushes the entire mechanism back on a set of springs that cycle the next bullet into the catapult. The belt magazine advances one spot through the gun, with the belt passing above the firing mechanism, outside the receiver. As the receiver pulls backwards, the bullet is pushed out of the belt by a small cylinder, and slides into position. As long as the trigger is held down, the receiver sliding forward into place will advance the belt forward by one and trigger the firing mechanism, resulting in fully automatic fire. Parts machined for the M2 are done so with the goal of a reliable mechanism first and foremost. The weapon is capable of firing mixed belts of normal and refocyte rounds.
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Re: Mechanized Warfare: Inithar Thread / Strategy Phase, 1940 Hot Season
« Reply #419 on: May 28, 2020, 12:40:16 pm »

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