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[frostgiant]

Robert Albert ManSteins Enhanced capacity Rifle (RAMER)
The RAMER is a semi-automatic rifle designed to replace the original Basic rifle that we are currently using, and to implement the semi-automatic mechanism that is currently present on the basic pistol in rifle form. Named after its eccentric primary designer the RAMER is designed to have a magazine of 6 rounds, rapidly rearming the rifle after every bullet fired through its semi-automatic mechanism, primarily taken and improved from the pistol that originally mounted the mechanism.
 Along with a pair of "Iron" sights and an underslung bayonet attachment, the RAMER is designed to serve volcania well for many years to come, and slaughter many drunken pigs.

[Man of Paper]

BASIC Rifle: (1) MoP

Because I want to see where this goes and by not voting Fallacy can blame us for the lack of update (even though a GM should prod their players once in a while)

[TricMagic]

Transport Disks: (1) TricMagic
BASIC Rifle: (1) MoP

So we can take the fight to them. Preferably faster than the current model, and actually replace-able.

[Man of Paper]

Yes, let's take the fight to them with our single-shot rifles and no other support, brilliant idea.

[TricMagic]

Yes, let's take the fight to them with our single-shot rifles and no other support, brilliant idea.

Indeed. We have the manpower, after all. Who cares if they die. We have the high ground because we can actually reach them quicker.

Also, we have no idea what they have right now. They could have the same stuff, and we might see what they've made.

Also the third. Our troops are naturally better than their's.

[Man of Paper]

1) You act like your shuttle disk revision already got a great roll. Stop that. That's bad behavior.
2) You seem to think tacking on "They also use them to push it in a lateral direction at the same time" is no big deal. Except it is, because not only are you trying to revise a shuttle disk, but you're also trying to create a whole new crystal as the levitation crystals, notably, move vertically.
3) We do have no idea what they have right now. But we can imagine they didn't get a revision wasted on giving us exactly nothing even though it wasn't Impossible. Which means they have an extra revision that could have been thrown into their armament that we will never be able to catch up on.
4) It doesn't matter how fast or durable our dudes are. That won't help them against bullets. Having something better than single-shot is common sense, and something that is pretty easy to do considering the setting (that is, scifi/fantasy). Those shuttles are not stealthy in the slightest, so the Enabrians will be able to see us flying at them from ages away and act accordingly.

[TricMagic]

We will never gain anything if we do not first do something. You seem to expect it to fail immediately. And if we never do anything, of course we will fail.

You also seem to think making a gun in a revision is easy. It's not, in this case. We don't have that type of experience. At least we have some experience with crystals. And the Shuttle Disk revision simply failing outright is a bit laughable.

2) You seem to think tacking on "They also use them to push it in a lateral direction at the same time" is no big deal. Except it is, because not only are you trying to revise a shuttle disk, but you're also trying to create a whole new crystal as the levitation crystals, notably, move vertically.

Lateral: of, at, toward, or from the side or sides.

Put simply, by moving one side of it up slightly higher, the weight can pull it forward. We don't need total horizontal movement. Also. Why do you think it is a whole new type of crystal? We haven't even done it yet.

Beyond that, why do you think I think it will automatically be a good roll? We haven't even rolled it yet, so how can it automatically be a bad roll?

[Man of Paper]

I know what lateral means, you toad. Your design literally just says it uses lev crystals to push it to the sides. Where does it say it uses lev crystals to tilt a floating structure the size of a large warehouse? It doesn't, so don't act like I don't understand what words mean when you don't properly explain how something functions. That poor explanation (uses lev crystals to move laterally) is also why I assumed you were trying to add lateral movement to the crystal itself, which would ultimately be an entirely new movement crystal.

Tilt required to get meaningful motion laterally without flying mostly upward would be ridiculous. Helicopters can work that way because they're small and you can easily and readily make sure everything is secure, and they also have a mechanism that tilts the blades separately from the fuselage. Your design implies a whole building-sized object is required to tilt, which is just a bad idea because of physics and a whole bevy of reasons that are too numerous to list.

We have more experience making guns than we do making shuttle disks. Period. We were never able to reproduce the disks, but our people are capable of arming every individual with a rifle.

"we can actually reach them quicker" implies that we manage to rig together a shuttle disk that goes faster than the base one, which, considering the number of issues with your design, would require a very, very good roll in order to be possible.

[m1895]

Transport Disks: (1) TricMagic
BASIC Rifle: (2) MoP, m1895

[Screech9791]

Transport Disks: (2) TricMagic, 0cra
BASIC Rifle: (2) MoP, m1895

[Madman198237]

Tilt required to get meaningful motion laterally without flying mostly upward would be ridiculous. Helicopters can work that way because they're small and you can easily and readily make sure everything is secure, and they also have a mechanism that tilts the blades separately from the fuselage. Your design implies a whole building-sized object is required to tilt, which is just a bad idea because of physics and a whole bevy of reasons that are too numerous to list.

Actually, no. A helicopter tilts so that the rotor is angled forwards---this splits the force of the rotor blade between lifting and pulling, moving the helicopter forwards. Tilting this thing will result in having a very large disk suspended at an awkward angle and NOT MOVING, since there's no force acting on anything that would result in net movement.

Transport Disks: (2) TricMagic, 0cra
BASIC Rifle: (3) MoP, m1895, Madman

[TricMagic]

Would Expect the Lev crystal pushing/pulling/moving one side up while gravity pulls some of one side down a bit could result in accelerating movement though.

I mean, gravity is a thing.. Even if this tends to be used to say no to it. Beyond that...

By Tilting down while some of it tilts up, and it moves down in general, air can be caught and applied. Over time, this can build up, acceleration. This increases the speed it can move at, all using the lev crystals and gravity smartly. Any force that is applied correctly can push it in a direction. Applying such force multiple times can result in speed.

First we have to roll though...

I'm, also really cringing when reading the Basic Rifle. Why in the world do you think we can make such a change with a revision when we have no experience with that. It's closer to design territory to make such sweeping changes. We don't have the experience for it, which will likely mean dedicating a design to it anyway.

The Transport Disks at least use things we do have, and give us some sort of experience for a veichle. Which is also Experience we don't have...

[Madman198237]

Would Expect the Lev crystal pushing/pulling/moving one side up while gravity pulls some of one side down a bit could result in accelerating movement though.

I mean, gravity is a thing.. Even if this tends to be used to say no to it. Beyond that...

By Tilting down while some of it tilts up, and it moves down in general, air can be caught and applied. Over time, this can build up, acceleration. This increases the speed it can move at, all using the lev crystals and gravity smartly. Any force that is applied correctly can push it in a direction. Applying such force multiple times can result in speed.

None of what you just said obeys the laws of physics. Hold your hand out, and tip it sideways. Feel any sideways force? Do the same with a piece of paper. It won't move sideways---not unless you drop it, which is a fantastically bad idea if said piece of paper isn't made of paper, and is instead a concrete circle the size of a city block. You WILL NOT get meaningful sideways travel using this ridiculous method, both because you can't drop an army base without damaging it and also because the concrete, being FAR more dense than paper, won't float sideways. Far better would be to use levitation crystals and timed activations (activate briefly while the blade each crystal is attached to is moving upwards, turning it off before that blade begins to descend) to power a gigantic propeller. While ridiculous, at least THAT method doesn't attempt to throw the word "force" around until everybody forgets what it means and how forces are created, and then praying that the laws of physics don't apply to such an extent as to allow this ridiculous contraption.

[Screech9791]

I came here for an arms race and all I got was a bunch of chucklefucks who never studied physics arguing. Goddamnit.

Anyways, we should probably make a better version of our rifle, or at least something better for a primary.

[Man of Paper]

plz remove kebab