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Author Topic: An Unconventional Arms Race - Conventional Nation State - Side A  (Read 1836 times)

Aseaheru

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 Welcome to AUAR's Side A! You are each members of private corporations that comprise the bulk of your nation's armaments production and importation industries.

 Before things really start getting going with your companies, however, there are a few issues with your nation. Namely, names, basic societal information, and starting equipment.
 
 So, please submit your choices for the following:
 >Nation's Name
 >Names of atleast five cities
 >Major cultures
 >Type of government(federal republic, federation, confederacy, dictatorship, oligarchy, monarchy, and whatever else yall can think of.)
 >General type of economy(service, industrial, agrarian, mix of whatever, that sort of thing)
 
 Next, we also need a starting block of equipment brought in. This shall be done via the following system:
 
 
Spoiler: The System (click to show/hide)

 In addition to the above notes, there is an additional piece of information to handle. Your Nation State is a signatory to the four Geneva Conventions. However, if it is signatory to the mainly relevant Protocols is up to all of you. Each player must vote yes or no to the Nation being bound by Protocol's I and II.

Spoiler: On Voting (click to show/hide)

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Re: An Unconventional Arms Race - Conventional Nation State - Side A
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2019, 06:40:41 pm »

Here's a list of slots in our armoury that I think we need filled
Something that can deal with aircraft (if they come at us with fliers and we haven't prepared we're screwed)
A standard issue rifle.
A machine gun.
A sniper rifle. (could probably be good at taking down atypical threats)
An anti tank weapon.
Squad portable fire support
Grenades
A tank
An APC
Artillery
A ship (probably need to be civilian but it'd give us something to build off)
An aircraft (preferably a jet some of the older ones might be pretty cheap)

So if I understand the system correctly an Ak47 should cost 1 point. Solid, effective, reliable and yet very cheap I think it could serve excellently as our standard issue assault rifle.

For the machine gun the M60 should work and also be 1 point.

The Sniper rifle I'd go with the Dragunov Sniper rifle should be 2 points.

I may return with more suggestions when I have more time to do some research but alas it is growing late for me.

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Re: An Unconventional Arms Race - Conventional Nation State - Side A
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2019, 06:51:21 pm »

I'm amid a comprehensive nation submission and armory list. Unless I think of something better to slot in for those then I'll pop them in though. Gonna take a little bit to finish it off though.
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Re: An Unconventional Arms Race - Conventional Nation State - Side A
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2019, 07:11:42 pm »

 AK-47s(with M43 ammunition only) would indeed be 1 point. AKMs would also be one point. The M60 would only come with flat FMJ T65E5 though.
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Re: An Unconventional Arms Race - Conventional Nation State - Side A
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2019, 08:48:42 pm »

Quote from: MoP's Nation Suggestion
The Cybersynatic Nation of Mede

Capital: Umbrial
Other Notable Cities: High Harbour, Machikaze, Galah, Tuckerton
Cultures: The Medites have a variety of influences from the Pacific cultures, though the most prominent are Australia and Japan. There is a notable Russian minority.
Government: Cybersynatic
Economy: Buddhist Economics

The combination of a "Buddhist economy" and Cybersynacism creates an interesting balance within Mede where a vast amount of raw data is used to enact impartial, logical rulings that provide the best balanced results for the state and the individual, and both work to benefit one another. They are not pacifistic in any sense though, as it's understood that a nation must fight for it's position among peers.

Equipment:
Air
A-10 Thunderbolt II - +4 Points (1977, Assuming Large)
- GAU-8 Avenger - +2 Points (1977), basic ammo is listed as AP Incendiary

Mil-Mi-24 "Hind" Attack Helicopter/Troop Transport - +2 Points (1972, Assuming Large, IMPORTED)
- GSh-30-2-K Twin-Barrel 30mm Cannon - +2 Points (1981, IMPORTED)

Both use radio systems built when they were, for another +2 I guess?

Air Total = 12

Ground (Infantry/Support)
M1911A1 - +1 Point (1924)
FN P90 SMG - +4 Points (1991)
AK-74M - +4 Points (1991)
M60E3 - +4 Points (Somewhere in the '80s)
Barrett M82 - +4 Points (1989)
ACOG Sights - +2 Points (Late 80s, IMPORTED)
Telescopic Sight/BORS Module - +4 Points (2007, IMPORTED)
M2HB .50 cal. Machine Gun - +1 Point (States it was developed post-WW2, assuming '50s)
L16 81mm Mortar - +2 Points (1965)
MK3A2 Concussion Grenade - +4 Points (1980s)
Interceptor Body Armor]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interceptor_Body_Armor]Interceptor Body Armor - +2 Points (Late '90s, IMPORTED)

Infantry/Support Total: 32 Points // Current Overall Total: 44 Points

Ground Vehicles
M2 Bradley +4 Points (1981, Assuming Large, IMPORTED)
-BGM-71 TOW - +1 Point (1970, IMPORTED)
M151A2 Utility Truck - +1 Point (1968, IMPORTED)

I imagine they'd use the radios that were added in with the aircraft so no need to re-add that.

Ground Vehicles Total: 6 Points // Current Overall Total: 50 Points


While obviously we don't need to grab the whole equipment list I provided, here's a list of why I think it's currently a good set and why certain decisions were made:

1) There is a lack of navy. This is because we have some prep turns we can work on one, but of all the dimensions of warfare it's the one we can generally feel safe ignoring (imagine grabbing a combat ship and we're fighting insurgent rebels lol)
2) The A-10 because it's the A-10.
3) Modernized variants of weapons were chosen to improve reliability, reduce weight, and generally improve combat effectiveness. Guns themselves are not imported because I feel as though we need to do everything we can to ensure they're effective.
4) With the .50 cal sniper rifle and machine gun, as well as support from the A-10 and the Bradley's TOW launcher I feel like we can take on most things we could go up against until we see what they actually have without getting any overkill.
5) "y u pick assrifle and also smg!?!" Because the P90 is my personal favorite and also good for CQB if our opponents favor that.
6) I went with a heavier sniper rifle since I figured giving optional optics to the AK-74M would give it fairly solid targeting at longer ranges.
7) The BORS module is expensive, but I mean read what it do.
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9) The M1911A1 got picked to give us an even 50 points used, but if we go with a loadout widely different than this then we could go for a newer sidearm. As long as there's a sidearm, *COUGH*anyone in my arms race*COUGH*
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Re: An Unconventional Arms Race - Conventional Nation State - Side A
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2019, 10:32:49 pm »

 Fun fact, the Barrett M82 is not actually a snipers rifle. Math-grade 50BMG isint actually accurate enough. Also, that government type and economic structure are going to be fun, but when I mentioned economy I meant more of what type, not how its done.

 Aircraft and vehicles would include engines, also, everything is only using its oldest form of ammunition(except 50BMG, which has two flavors), the Bradley would also include its guns(M240 and M242 Bushmaster unless yer getting totally stripped ones, might even include the M231 PFW. Ammo would be whatever was in use when its designed, so... M791 APDS-T for the 25mm, who knows what type of 7.62 NATO was used then, some flavor of 5.56, etc.). Remember you can change what a things outfitted with(so, theoretically, a 14.5mm gun as coax on Bradley's if yer feeling insane, or sticking in one of the mountable M60s) and that you have no bombs, rockets, or missiles saving XBGM-71A/BGM-71A TOWs.
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Re: An Unconventional Arms Race - Conventional Nation State - Side A
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2019, 10:46:27 pm »

But aren't engines and shit also identifiable subsystems? That's already increasing cost. I mean, if we want any vehicle at all at that rate then the only weapons we'll be able to afford are pointed sticks. I mean I know the Japanese pulled a sneaky once on bicycles but those got wheels, and gears, and brakes, so that'd be at least 4 points.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2019, 11:12:13 pm »

Given the round for the AK, using it for marksman duties isn't quite a good idea. Besides, we'd actually need a higher magnification scope for marksman duties. As for the P90 and the AK, it might just be best if we take just one, and essentially modify that for better performance rather than taking both.

I'm a little leery about not having an air to air fighter, but I can back MoP's plan more or less whole-heartedly.
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Re: An Unconventional Arms Race - Conventional Nation State - Side A
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2019, 03:57:10 am »

Seems interesting let's go with MoP's proposal. Also what's our main export going to be?
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2019, 08:35:59 am »

Unfortunately my proposal is completely invalid, as I didn't include costs for systems, like, say, the A-10s laser receiver, nav systems, gps, fire control computers and ejector seats, which would come up to at least 10 points extra, not including being doubled for the Large size.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 09:10:44 am »

Well, the infantry weapons part is solid, so we can work on that to start off.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 09:59:34 am »

Unfortunately my proposal is completely invalid, as I didn't include costs for systems, like, say, the A-10s laser receiver, nav systems, gps, fire control computers and ejector seats, which would come up to at least 10 points extra, not including being doubled for the Large size.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the rules it isn't invalid. Large is determined by subsystem count and looks to be more about complexity than size and subsystems that are not mentioned are not included in the variant we get. It's perfectly valid to get an A10 that's stripped down to the bare essentials it requires to fly and a GAU but it may not be the most effective.

I do not know much about old military equipment but still I have a suggestion; We could replace either the hind or the A10 with a MiG19?
It'd be
Since there is less than 5 subsystems it does not count as large and does not get doubled and costs a total of 5 points for a supersonic jet (we could get it for less if we import). Admittedly it is an old cold war era jet but just the same it should give us something to build off of.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2019, 04:08:24 pm »

 Also, for those looking at the M1911A1, it was made available to civilian purchasers, so it would only be half a point.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2019, 04:24:04 pm »

Jerick, according to the GM it needs to include engines, which'd give it the 5th, unless we want a mothballed fleet. Which I mean doesn't sound like a bad way to get a bunch of half-designs to work on, but I'd rather not.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2019, 05:34:29 pm »

 Yeah, looking at more things, I think yall need more points. So have 75 to play with instead of 50.
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