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DerMeister

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Armless harpy issues
« on: May 12, 2019, 07:34:11 am »

Harpies have no arms. They cannot work in workshops, haul items and even wear clothes. But can be performers.

Can harpies wrestle? How make them more useful? Will they wear gloves?
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Eric Blank

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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2019, 01:11:25 pm »

Add a grasp token to their feet. The same string that adds a geldable token to most male mammals lower bodies can be turned around to instead add GRASP to all BY_TYPE:STANCE on harpies. That'll let them pick up items, then.

Additionally, almost all of your questions would be better posted in the general modding questions thread instead of making new threads. Please post further questions there.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2019, 01:14:53 pm by Eric Blank »
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2019, 01:25:30 pm »

Add a grasp token to their feet. The same string that adds a geldable token to most male mammals lower bodies can be turned around to instead add GRASP to all BY_TYPE:STANCE on harpies. That'll let them pick up items, then.

Additionally, almost all of your questions would be better posted in the general modding questions thread instead of making new threads. Please post further questions there.
Will harpy wear gloves on feet?
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2019, 01:38:47 pm »

Add a grasp token to their feet. The same string that adds a geldable token to most male mammals lower bodies can be turned around to instead add GRASP to all BY_TYPE:STANCE on harpies. That'll let them pick up items, then.

Additionally, almost all of your questions would be better posted in the general modding questions thread instead of making new threads. Please post further questions there.
Will harpy wear gloves on feet?

Yes
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DerMeister

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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2019, 02:17:03 pm »

Add a grasp token to their feet. The same string that adds a geldable token to most male mammals lower bodies can be turned around to instead add GRASP to all BY_TYPE:STANCE on harpies. That'll let them pick up items, then.

Additionally, almost all of your questions would be better posted in the general modding questions thread instead of making new threads. Please post further questions there.
Will harpy wear gloves on feet?

Yes
With boots? How make them not wear gloves?
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Roses

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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2019, 04:01:23 pm »

Not sure if you can, as far as I know, gloves will always be worn on body parts with GRASP and shoes will always be worn on body parts with STANCE. I suppose you could just not give the harpy civilization any gloves, not sure how that would work out with preferences and things, and if they found gloves they would still wear them
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 07:36:37 am »

Not sure if you can, as far as I know, gloves will always be worn on body parts with GRASP and shoes will always be worn on body parts with STANCE. I suppose you could just not give the harpy civilization any gloves, not sure how that would work out with preferences and things, and if they found gloves they would still wear them
I embark as goblin with tame harpies. They was in shoes and socks, not in gloves.
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 08:18:22 am »

Not sure if you can, as far as I know, gloves will always be worn on body parts with GRASP and shoes will always be worn on body parts with STANCE. I suppose you could just not give the harpy civilization any gloves, not sure how that would work out with preferences and things, and if they found gloves they would still wear them
I embark as goblin with tame harpies. They was in shoes and socks, not in gloves.

It's possible the STANCE tag of their feet overrides the GRASP tag you added in terms of clothing, but it's also possible they just spawned with shoes and they can still equip gloves
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 04:31:31 pm »

If they are part of their own civ, you can probably add a stance to the wings and then add a clothing & armor type called a 'wing guard' to keep them sufficiently covered and then whatever to put on their talons. Naga people in masterwork being snake-bodied have something similar in a 'tail guard'
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 09:14:09 am »

If they are part of their own civ, you can probably add a stance to the wings and then add a clothing & armor type called a 'wing guard' to keep them sufficiently covered and then whatever to put on their talons. Naga people in masterwork being snake-bodied have something similar in a 'tail guard'
They also are part of goblin civ.

What if add grasp to teeth (on fett it not work)? Will harpies wear gloves on teeth?
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 03:23:23 pm »

Yep.

You could change their body plan to the normal humanoid on, and add wings after that, that would solve the issue. They'd have six limbs then though, so not at all the usual harpy body plan.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 03:25:51 pm by Eric Blank »
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2019, 03:36:59 pm »

Yep.

You could change their body plan to the normal humanoid on, and add wings after that, that would solve the issue. They'd have six limbs then though, so not at all the usual harpy body plan.
This will be nightwing, no harpy.

Will they work without [EQUIPS]?
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2019, 07:11:55 pm »

Technically yes, but if you want them to not go insane from being stressed out about being naked youll have to change their personality facet for bashfulness to straight zeroes. Adventurers also will not be able to wear armor or anything.
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2019, 05:00:00 am »

Yep.

You could change their body plan to the normal humanoid on, and add wings after that, that would solve the issue. They'd have six limbs then though, so not at all the usual harpy body plan.
I add to harpy teeth grasp. But embark harpies in new world not wear gloves.
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Re: Armless harpy issues
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2019, 07:06:59 am »

vestigial single digit hands like bat claws/thumbs at the end of their wings for grip and climbing could have been a alternative.



I dont think Eric Blank nessescarily over-exaggerated the importance of grasp=gloves, left and right hand are seperate tags in the body raws applied over the top of different hand templates so gloves might have a pre-requisite for hands or feet to be present ignoring others. not entirely sure.
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