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[MCreeper]

And here i am, just hoping that next proper release will be tthis year.

[CaptainArchmage]

This is a little concerning. Hopefully it doesn't split the modding community between forum and workshop. More importantly, I really hope Toady One gets the financial stability he needs.

Hopefully any DF Classic mods should be able to work with DF Enhanced. In fact they probably should; the main issue is people not uploading on steam workshop.

[WillowLuman]

I'm glad for this, I have to say. It looks like Toady will be getting input from modders on new tokens to include in the code, and features will remain in parity. Plus, he and his brother could really use some more money.

[thompson]

So how would one go about incorporating dfhack mods in the steam version? I'm guessing it'll be the same between both versions and is just a matter of the dfhack guys updating for that release. Just as well we're heading for a big wait - modders will likely need some time to get their heads around the changes.

[Starver]

I can just imagine it now: "You can buy the feature-limited version of the game, but if you want to access all the really cool stuff you have to download the free version!"

Quite a reversal from the usual P2W model.

[thompson]

I can just imagine it now: "You can buy the feature-limited version of the game, but if you want to access all the really cool stuff you have to download the free version!"

Quite a reversal from the usual P2W model.

My thoughts exactly.

[clinodev]

So, nothing profound, but I've ended up working alongside a couple of the Kitfox people quite a lot the last couple days, helping with the AMAs, the /r/dwarffortress announcement thread (linked upthread,) catching their community person up a little with the DF community, etc.

They seem like nice folks, and I'm a suspicious dude who's not getting paid.

I have a number of real concerns about the project, but not about Kitfox at this point. By way of example, if you take a look at that reddit announcement thread, you'll note I quoted and linked Bay12's Patreon and PayPal four separate times, and point out at least a couple of those times the links give Bay12 more money than buying the game.

I didn't write any of those, they're straight from from the media release. When asked in reddit posts and on the new official DF Discord, they consistently said the same, that the best way to get money to Toady is PayPal, followed by Patreon (TECHNICALLY it's mailing him a money order, but close enough.) I think Tanya cares about Toady, and I think the others have caught it as well. At the very least so far they're doing a crap job of being greedy about it, and let's face it, probably most of us here are donating several times over the cost of the game each year anyway.

Here are the press release sheets, for as long as they're up, and for what they're worth. I will mention they took the concerns of some of the people who got the early materials and adjusted them to do a better job of addressing things. I don't think there's anything there that isn't widely known at this point.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xwhi1KKp5QD9R4-euZ0JqRB0vHdNPqdBJXjIgp-yYHA/edit

http://www.kitfoxgames.com/press/sheet.php?p=dwarf_fortress

[Retropunch]

I do honestly understand why people might be worried that DF is changing it's model in some ways - that's completely natural given how long it's stayed with the same model and change is always a bit scary.

What I really dislike is that people are somehow claiming this as 'selling out' and the entitled tone some people have - as if wanting to get paid for an unbelievable amount of work which we all enjoy was somehow inherently wrong. I think Toady et. al. deserve a lot more respect than that, as they've showed unwavering commitment to the best possible version of DF for so many years.

It also doesn't read like this was a 'desperation' move - it would be unlikely that such a fortuitous set of people (friends with a suitable company, Meph and the like available etc.) just happened to be around at the right time. I think this is a considered move that was spurred on by financial commitments - that's perfectly normal and great things can come out of that. I'm really looking forward to an easy way for my friends to get involved in DF, and I'm looking forward to all the new players around to show us their death traps fortresses.

[scourge728]

Personally, I was mostly worried about kitfox since I knew nothing about them and worried it would turn out like Rare did... or anything associated with EA.... but my worries are gone now that I know more about them

[PlumpHelmetMan]

I'm personally very optimistic. I think this will be a great way to bring a regular stream of new blood into the DF community (wait, did I just make an Armok pun unintentionally?), and as has already been pointed out it's not like Toady is selling out to a major company. And of course, if it helps the financial security of the Adams brothers then I can only support it. Still, I can empathize with the folks who are concerned about the change.

[snow dwarf]

Does anybody know whether saves will be compatible between steam and dwarf fortress classic? I'm asking, because it would allow for a interaction between the steam and bay12 community in the form of succession games.

[Putnam]

I doubt saves won't be compatible; it's intended that the only difference between steam and classic versions is that the steam version has the official graphics and music.

[Shonai_Dweller]

I imagine the only thing which won't be compatible is cloud saves. If they decide to activate that Steam option, (which they're leaning against due to the massive size of DF saves), you probably won't be able to load one up in Classic DF. Regardless, it's only an option, regular saves will probably work as they always have (but ask in fotf to find out for sure).

[Putnam]

There's no fundamental format difference between cloud saves and regular saves.

[Shonai_Dweller]

There's no fundamental format difference between cloud saves and regular saves.

Aren't they on a Steam cloud server somewhere?
How would you share them with someone on Classic?
(Have no idea how cloud saves work - genuinely interested)