Final wall, ready for tomorrow. This no-lynch has put the town in jeopardy. Wish Leodanny was here to vote, kind of a let-down.
We were both operating on the assumption
I wasn't, which I was trying to explain to you from the start:
If you and IcyTea are claiming to have been transported, neither of you performed the night kill.
Only if heydude was originally targeting me. Targeting someone else, he still could have performed it.
You are assuming that hector is deliberately misinterpreting the rules to make an argument in bad faith.
The option is that hector, a player more experienced than myself, doesn't know how the bus driver/transporter works. Not impossible, but it's called the burden of experience.
Do you think hector was too dumb to realize that? Do you think an experienced player like Hector thought he'd be able to sneak that past an experienced player like you.
No, I think an experienced player like hector would have built a logical argument to defend their case.
and you had no proof that players get the transporter PM for being a target of the transporter rather than targeting for getting their target swapped by him
What did the PM say? "You have been transported to another location", NOT "Your target has been transported to another location". How would the former even make sense with it coming from your target being the wrong one?
your hypothetical targeting another person scenario wouldn't have been possible.
The thing is, the line about me possibly being the killer was bait from the start. It was to see if hector keeps pushing the same argument after his current one is put into doubt. And he did, making the same argument with the same misinformation,
after being informed otherwise:
It turns out that there were a couple more problems with the Transporter's role description. Here is the updated description, with added areas in green and removed areas struck through.
You were transported to target yourself. You're not dead, so you can't kill people. The same can be said of heydude.
You didn't visit Pavellius.
Note timestamps, and how hector's argument has degenerated to an unproven statement with literally nothing to support it. If hector was town, I'd expect better.
I'm not surprised you claimed investigator. It's the only role you can choose that will justify your support for Piratejoe.
A lookout or sheriff would be just as useless as an investigator in this situation, and any other claim would be a counterclaim.
The thing about Piratejoe's claim is that it was made using information that everyone had access to. I'm not going to list it off again, but the point is that anyone could have made that spy claim if they happened to be scum. They simply chose me as the visiting target because I had already confirmed that I targeted you and therefore myself. If some other hapless bystander targeted you instead and also confirmed it, then they would have been the visitor. What I find interesting is that you were goading me into telling you who I targeted for quite a while. When I finally give in, PirateJoe comes along with this highly improbable role as well as evidence that points directly at me. If he had any other role, he wouldn't have been able to do that. Don't you find that to coincidence to be rather convenient? To spell it out more explicitly, I think you and PirateJoe are scumbuddies who were trying to get me to claim my target so you could trap me with Piratejoe's spy claim.
See, you're back to hector's strategies. Been coached by him? Your only argument is that it's "unlikely", when piratejoe has given a logically consistent story for the whole game. Unlike you. But you're right, it was a trap to get you to claim crosswise. See below, in my response to hector.
It's a good plan. You need one like that to win a game as townsided as this.
You do realize that town needs a good plan as well to win a 3-2?
We have a Sheriff, which is why I knew you were up to no good.
You're either saying that you have results on me, which is impossible if you self-targeted, or that you "knew" I was evil before I claimed, which is quite absurd considering this is your first post since.
You claimed, how did that help town, especially when you say heydude will make the same one? -- piratejoe claimed, then I knew he was lying.
You answered your own question.
I said him being worried about claiming his actual role implies he’s not actually the role he claims. This is not the central point of my case against him...
Then what is? Youpell your argument down in clear terms below, but without this, there isn't a lot to it.
I was poking at you at the start of the day, and then felt I would get a better read of you and heydude by watching how you went about “giving enough role “ to hang himself with. You appear to have done the opposite, and then just gave up and demanded we all vote for him instead.
That's because that wasn't my my real goal.
Who is the second scum, IcyTea? You said you weren’t going to claim because you could find both by not claiming. Enlighten us.
You are. I forced you and heydude to both counterclaim different townies rather than each other to win the game alone (which would have had way more chance in succeeding than what you've done here). If, among the four unconfirmed players, there were 3 claims of investigative or non-investigative, things would have got tricky. But having exactly one counterclaim pair of both investigatives and non-investigatives forces the scum to pair up. I've got you both.
You haven’t shown me how your claim for being town is any better than heydude’s.
You certainly seemed to believe it earlier:
What makes you say I trust you?
That you believe me without question when I say my action failed due to self-target (an unconfirmable claim), and thus assume I couldn't have performed the nightkill.
It's confirmed by two other players. Well, one, really, but they're basically confirmed town.
In the "I could have done it!" spat, you displayed knowledge and trust that a townie wouldn't have for another without hard proof or at least a strong read.
What’s illogical about my case against piratejoe?
That your only proof is a gut feeling and a faulty "no one else could have done it" argument.
I could claim
You already did. The general set of investigative or non-investigative is enough for my strategy.
but then we’re in the same boat you expect to be with heydude: two contradicting claims that we can’t prove until someone flips.
The thing here is, I believe myself to currently be more credible than you.
I have been very open that my case is only good from my perspective.
Yes, in that if your counterclaim dies, you're at 50-50 and it barely even matters were it not for the transporter.
I attacked his very slow vote, despite him being so aware that I was the only one who could have killed Pavellius that he didn’t say anything about it until halfway through the day.
He was so confident that heydude and I were the scum team that he didn’t vote either of us until the latter half of the day, despite being around at the very start to tell us about his reads, then drastically altering them to fit his claim in the latter half of the day.
Technically speaking, we can have another Spy. Its unlikely, but possible. Regardless, its very bad that Tric was town, for fairly obvious reasons. Now, currently, this makes me worry I might have been right in my initial assumption but I'm not going to jump the gun just yet, besides, better to fry em for more substantial evidence than just a hunch.
Regardless, I have to ask, hector13, with the lynch and the town death today, how has your perspective on who's scum and who's town changed if at all? I also have to ask the same for IcyTea if they would be so kind.
In my list of who I think is town to scum it is this
Town
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heydude6
Leodanny
IcyTea31
hector13
v
Scum
Also, Heydude can you confirm that you were transported last night?
This really looks like pursuing a case, even if it doesn't involve a vote. I don't see what you see.
Anyone paying attention will know we can’t have two transporters, two spies and an escort.
True. We also can't have both an investigator and a sheriff. So you know that either you and heydude or I and piratejoe are both scum. This is the crux of my plan.
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