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[WealthyRadish]

By royalists you mean monarchists? i.e. people that want a monarchy again. If so, are they becoming a problem in France, even if a minor one?

I'm asking because monarchists were amongst the groups that enabled fascism to win the last election in my country. So it'd be interesting to know if it's an international thing or not.

I don't quite want to casually get entangled in this developing catastrophe of a thread before it gets nuked, but this is too interesting to leave. Is the restoration of the Empire of Brazil something anyone wants, outside of... I don't know what they'd be called, a tiny number of people sort of analogous to wehraboos? Pedroboos? i.e., people who get enamored with some historical oddity pseudo-ironically, or is it something bigger?

[Cathar]

...going off a tangent here but I have to say that I have the utmost contempt for Bourbon loyalists. I'd very much rather have a presidentialist republic than have to endure  one of these inbred morons patronizing me every Christmas 

Feel free to remind them that their political relevance was removed from reality by a short sighted midget with no army, after a major military defeat lol

Also...the empire of Brazil? What? Did we had stuff there?
We're busy enough with our DOM TOM when they *want* to remain within French juridiction, we're not expending anytime soon

[Teneb]

By royalists you mean monarchists? i.e. people that want a monarchy again. If so, are they becoming a problem in France, even if a minor one?

I'm asking because monarchists were amongst the groups that enabled fascism to win the last election in my country. So it'd be interesting to know if it's an international thing or not.

I don't quite want to casually get entangled in this developing catastrophe of a thread before it gets nuked, but this is too interesting to leave. Is the restoration of the Empire of Brazil something anyone wants, outside of... I don't know what they'd be called, a tiny number of people sort of analogous to wehraboos? Pedroboos? i.e., people who get enamored with some historical oddity pseudo-ironically, or is it something bigger?

There is a non-insignificant monarchist faction. They were strenghtened both by the fall of the "socialist" government (PT used to be communist way back the day, but for over a decade they have just been status quo in red) and as a reaction to stuff like not persecuting gay people anymore. Another factor is that prior to a few years ago, they were split into two factions (since there were two claimants to the title of Imperial Prince). With the death of one of those claimants (and his heir saying he wants nothing to do with this shit), they managed to rally under the current Imperial Prince... who is a major shithead* and who is signalling he wouldn't mind a crown.

*While the list is rather large, the last example of him being an utter asshole was during the last british royal wedding, where he said it was unnaceptable because the bride was divorced and no good christian can condone that. Some have speculated it was also because she was black, but it's hard to know for sure.


I see imperial flags every now and then where I live, but they have decreased a bit in favour of misplaced nostalgia for the military dictatorship. (which was very, very brutal. like holy shit how can you support this crap, everyone who lived through it knew at least one person who got disappeared.)


EDIT:

Also...the empire of Brazil? What? Did we had stuff there?
We're busy enough with our DOM TOM when they *want* to remain within French juridiction, we're not expending anytime soon

Well, it's the house of Orléans-Bragança after all.

[Cathar]

Well, it's the house of Orléans-Bragança after all.

Im so sorry you have no idea

[Starver]

I mean the 2 countries are extremely different in history, culture, etc.

Hence the comparison.

France has had 4 or 5 revolutions in the last 300 years.

(Still to be proven.)

The closest thing the UK has had is the Irish republic stuff.

You're narrowly excluding the ECW and the Glorious Revolution and Jacobin uprisings by that particular bracketing, I note.

In strictly the last three-hundred years (and ignoring the various Irish instances, as you dismissed them) someone thought there was revolution, leading to the Peterloo Massacre. There was the Scottish Radical War. Riots arise from the Second Reform Bill, which (amongst other things) made Bristol a separatist state, more or less, for three days. The Chartists arguably ultimately succeeded in political revolution that spates of violence to it. The Suffragettes? The Jarrow Crusade, varioys General Strikes and Miners' Strikes? The Pentrich Rising was instigated by a government plant (not the first or last) and who can forget the Luddites.

If you want to use the Irish instances as benchmarks for successful British revolution/separatism, consider the span of similar trouble in India (up to Partition, perhaps as far back as the Mutiny), with some other colonial happenings (e.g. Second Maroon War) definitely approaching that level of open rebellion as scaled to province. I'm told that something happened between 1765 and 1783 in some insignificant set of colonies that we're never heard of since.

Do you want to count small-scale rebellions? At least as important as those French riots you listed, to those involved.

If you want to look at radical changes to the British Isles, alone, and don't feel like including the Industrial Revolution and Information Revolutions as too amorphous and not (directly/overtly) changing the political scene, consider the "thank you, but goodbye (for now)" to Churchill's wartime government and voting in of the Universal Healthcare in 1945 (and huge rollbacks and re-revolution by the rich under Thatcherism).


There's a rich history to British insurrection, but maybe the difference is partly down to JFK's famous quote: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

[Starver]

This is the classic NPC mentality;

"Not Putin's Champions"? You seem to like edgy memes, so there's an edgy meme for you.

Sorry, I didn't realise you were one of them. No wonder you've annoyed other people.

[Cathar]

Tho I'll be honnest it was pretty apparent from the start and I should have known better myself

[WealthyRadish]

By royalists you mean monarchists? i.e. people that want a monarchy again. If so, are they becoming a problem in France, even if a minor one?

I'm asking because monarchists were amongst the groups that enabled fascism to win the last election in my country. So it'd be interesting to know if it's an international thing or not.

I don't quite want to casually get entangled in this developing catastrophe of a thread before it gets nuked, but this is too interesting to leave. Is the restoration of the Empire of Brazil something anyone wants, outside of... I don't know what they'd be called, a tiny number of people sort of analogous to wehraboos? Pedroboos? i.e., people who get enamored with some historical oddity pseudo-ironically, or is it something bigger?

There is a non-insignificant monarchist faction. They were strenghtened both by the fall of the "socialist" government (PT used to be communist way back the day, but for over a decade they have just been status quo in red) and as a reaction to stuff like not persecuting gay people anymore. Another factor is that prior to a few years ago, they were split into two factions (since there were two claimants to the title of Imperial Prince). With the death of one of those claimants (and his heir saying he wants nothing to do with this shit), they managed to rally under the current Imperial Prince... who is a major shithead* and who is signalling he wouldn't mind a crown.

*While the list is rather large, the last example of him being an utter asshole was during the last british royal wedding, where he said it was unnaceptable because the bride was divorced and no good christian can condone that. Some have speculated it was also because she was black, but it's hard to know for sure.


I see imperial flags every now and then where I live, but they have decreased a bit in favour of misplaced nostalgia for the military dictatorship. (which was very, very brutal. like holy shit how can you support this crap, everyone who lived through it knew at least one person who got disappeared.)

What I find so weird about it is that I wouldn't expect the period of monarchism in Brazil to have any lasting political impact, when the whole thing seemed to have happened by accident without any prior tradition, and only lasted for a relatively short time that is now outside of living memory. It seems to me like it'd be only very marginally less ridiculous than having monarchists in other republics of the western hemisphere, but of course that was just an assumption made without knowing much about Brazil's politics today.

But I guess if people can feel nostalgia for the period of dictatorship, they can plausibly feel nostalgia for literally anything that can be found in a history book, however anachronistic.

[DFNewb]

I mean the 2 countries are extremely different in history, culture, etc.

Hence the comparison.

France has had 4 or 5 revolutions in the last 300 years.

(Still to be proven.)

The closest thing the UK has had is the Irish republic stuff.

You're narrowly excluding the ECW and the Glorious Revolution and Jacobin uprisings by that particular bracketing, I note.

In strictly the last three-hundred years (and ignoring the various Irish instances, as you dismissed them) someone thought there was revolution, leading to the Peterloo Massacre. There was the Scottish Radical War. Riots arise from the Second Reform Bill, which (amongst other things) made Bristol a separatist state, more or less, for three days. The Chartists arguably ultimately succeeded in political revolution that spates of violence to it. The Suffragettes? The Jarrow Crusade, varioys General Strikes and Miners' Strikes? The Pentrich Rising was instigated by a government plant (not the first or last) and who can forget the Luddites.

If you want to use the Irish instances as benchmarks for successful British revolution/separatism, consider the span of similar trouble in India (up to Partition, perhaps as far back as the Mutiny), with some other colonial happenings (e.g. Second Maroon War) definitely approaching that level of open rebellion as scaled to province. I'm told that something happened between 1765 and 1783 in some insignificant set of colonies that we're never heard of since.

Do you want to count small-scale rebellions? At least as important as those French riots you listed, to those involved.

If you want to look at radical changes to the British Isles, alone, and don't feel like including the Industrial Revolution and Information Revolutions as too amorphous and not (directly/overtly) changing the political scene, consider the "thank you, but goodbye (for now)" to Churchill's wartime government and voting in of the Universal Healthcare in 1945 (and huge rollbacks and re-revolution by the rich under Thatcherism).


There's a rich history to British insurrection, but maybe the difference is partly down to JFK's famous quote: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

some guys at a uni taking over the UNI is a revolution of a state now?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1797_Rugby_School_rebellion

Now I have heard it all.

I really don't think you know history well if you count that as an English revolution