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[Astrid]

With the world now happily simulating in the background i've been wondering a little...

Has anyone yet attempted to 'open the clownfort', subsequently loose the own fort and keep the world generating to see how the new 'intruders' affect the world if any?

I am about to do that but i still keep wondering.

[Grand Sage]

Oh, please do! and tell us about it

I seem to recall another thread about this, but it may have been before all of this post-wg stuff.

[GPeter]

Please, do post the results here!

[Astrid]

Fort is founded on a mountainous plains and running rather healthily. plently of metals and sand in reach. First year not over yet.
All neighbours are thus far 'avaible'.
Decided to pick some rodents as pets beside the usual dog/cat/poultry combo. To my dismay i noticed mice are not avaible ingame. Settled with cavies instead just as a little side experiment.
Someone need to nag Toady on occation. I like mice.
Might mod them in myself using the cave piggies above as template...

[forgotten_idiot]

With the world now happily simulating in the background i've been wondering a little...

Has anyone yet attempted to 'open the clownfort', subsequently loose the own fort and keep the world generating to see how the new 'intruders' affect the world if any?

I am about to do that but i still keep wondering.

Great idea, but I don't see why your dwarves should die for the sake of !!SCIENCE!!. Just seal the fortress off, leave a way to the surface for clowns, and let them watch the world burn. Dorf lives matter.

[scourge728]

ptw

[mobucks]

hidden stuff fun

[Robsoie]

If someone has the patience to test running more years of world , i have made this saved game that is ready for doing the HSF experiment :
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14129
instructions

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's a long lived fortress on a small world, optimised (i use a 2x2 fortress map for this one) for keeping high framerate so quantum stockpiles and atom smasher helps to keep things in control. The fort provide enough happy thought things and other tricks to keep depression to a very minimum (depressed dwarves have always been dealt with by sending them to some distant hillock anyways)

At the time of the save there's 72 dwarves ruled by a countess, most of them are also in the military.
There used to be more but there was a price to pay for multiple wars against gobs.

Anyways the adamantine can be found by pressing F6 (custom hotkey i set to my fort main point of interest)


The tunnel from the surface exit right in front of it.
The entrance to the tunnel leading directly to the adamantite is on the exterior of my fort, so it's possible to keep the dwarves out of the demon fun party.
At the time of my save i enabled the alert, so the civilians are confined into the burrow (that is the safe fortress grounds).

To disable the alert (so you can at least send a miner to do the final digging deed) just press
m -> a -> then press enter to set the alert to Inactive.

If you want to save your dwarves after doing the deed and re-enabling the alert, you can also lock the fortress by raising the entrance bridge to block the fortress entrance by using this lever in the Countess halls :


there's another lever at some distance , it's for controlling the atom smasher, no need for it.

the fortress was made in df44.12, no dfhack or any mod used (so none needed to play), i use only this simple custom tileset so you can use plain ascii or your favorite one :

edit : oops some slight change of direction

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Actually don't bother digging through and down the adamantine, it's the top of a large and vast vein of it, there's truckloads of it there.
If you want to reach directly the entrance of the party, dig a down staircase there at this depth 51 :


Then dig a lot Up/Down stairs under it until you reach depth 66 or 67 where it should open the fun stuff

[Robsoie]

Experimented and disapointed :

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

After the release of the initial horde of demons, i let some dwarves outside the locked fortress so the demons would kill them and then would become named (in order for them to become historical figure and actually exist in the legends).

Once the deed was done, i retired the fortress.

Created another fortress (so time would move a bit faster) and let it run a year then retired it.
Created another fortress , let it run a couple of years, then retired it.
Created another fortress, let it run a year and at that point i just had enough for the experiment, 4 years were then elapsed since the release of the demons to the surface of the world.

Result :
Checked the legends, and as usual nothing of real interest happened in any of the retired fortress, even the one with the demons running around, i guess a flaw of the world activation and retired fortress in which nothing happens if they're not target of a gob invasion.

Checked the named demons in the historical figure list and ... nothing, they did nothing at all in those 4 years of supposedly being able to run around this small world.

Very disapointing but with how few actually happen during current version of the activated world it's unfortunately not unexpected.
I wish you could run the actual worldgen to get years moving faster between settling 2 fortress instead of leaving it up to the world activation thing in which nothing interesting really happen in only 4 years of extremely boring fortress waiting.

[blister_pack]

Back in 42.x I did something like that on accident: after retiring a fortress that breached HFS at one point it turned out that one FB spawned in HFS instead of 3rd cavern layer (bug?) and the lucky clown that got the kill got named. It then proceeded to do absolutely nothing - just running around in circles around the fortress in a manner similar to e.g. kea men that escaped with stolen stuff. I bumped into the clown accidentally as an adventurer. Funny thing: the area the clown wanders smells of sulfur in a manner in which area near a night troll smells of death.

New test case if you want: find some of those named clowns you've got there as a vampire (or other not tiring) adventurer and let them chase you to the nearest fort/town. Due to the slaughter that later will surely ensue, the clown(s) should become enemy of some civs. This might trigger some interesting events later on in the postgen.

[blister_pack]

[sorry, misclick]

[forgotten_idiot]

Very disapointing but with how few actually happen during current version of the activated world it's unfortunately not unexpected.
I wish you could run the actual worldgen to get years moving faster between settling 2 fortress instead of leaving it up to the world activation thing in which nothing interesting really happen in only 4 years of extremely boring fortress waiting.

To be fair, I wouldn't say that nothing interesting at all happens in activated world. Recently I sent a squad of legendaries to retake the fortress of Crystalhail (awesome name) from elves. They did, and after that I had VERY eventful 5 years happening in the background.  My legendaries successfully defended Crystalhail several times and then each of them went on adventures of their own, fighting (and sometimes conquering) other elven and goblin sites. I loved watching this war unfold. Crystalhail fell to the elves eventually yet again. Some of my dwarves returned to my fortress years later, covered in scars and with huge kill-lists. Some of them died, and their named weapons are now saught after by many treasure-collectors around the world. 

[Astrid]

Ha i am getting old, someone was faster than me Gonna do my own run on that still to see if the result is the same.

[Robsoie]

Very disapointing but with how few actually happen during current version of the activated world it's unfortunately not unexpected.
I wish you could run the actual worldgen to get years moving faster between settling 2 fortress instead of leaving it up to the world activation thing in which nothing interesting really happen in only 4 years of extremely boring fortress waiting.

To be fair, I wouldn't say that nothing interesting at all happens in activated world. Recently I sent a squad of legendaries to retake the fortress of Crystalhail (awesome name) from elves. They did, and after that I had VERY eventful 5 years happening in the background.  My legendaries successfully defended Crystalhail several times and then each of them went on adventures of their own, fighting (and sometimes conquering) other elven and goblin sites. I loved watching this war unfold. Crystalhail fell to the elves eventually yet again. Some of my dwarves returned to my fortress years later, covered in scars and with huge kill-lists. Some of them died, and their named weapons are now saught after by many treasure-collectors around the world.

That indeed sounds amazing !
I wish the same could happen to my worlds, the only guess i can make is that probably having hammered the gobs so hard during my main fort long lifespan does not help as if they're out of actual military with only civilians left it may explain why nothing happens anymore in those kind of time span.

Hopefully Toady will give us a way to move time a lot more forward like it happens during the original worldgen, as it takes hours to move through only a few years in fortress mode at 100fps (as i optimised my time-waiting forts to keep fps there) and doing so is making the game incredibly more boring.

[forgotten_idiot]

That indeed sounds amazing !
I wish the same could happen to my worlds, the only guess i can make is that probably having hammered the gobs so hard during my main fort long lifespan does not help as if they're out of actual military with only civilians left it may explain why nothing happens anymore in those kind of time span.

Well, I tend to play in worlds dotted with goblin fortresses, where elves are expansive and genocidal and dwarves are usually extinct. The fact that I give goblins high natural skills and steel (not sure if blasphemy) doesn't help dwarven survival either. Just seems more fun.