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[evilmagic]

I am playing a succession fort with my friend, and earlier today I finished my turn and sent it back to him. He was going through the civ screen and noticed that we are at war with our own civilization. I noticed that the liason stopped coming by but I never checked to see if we were at war with them. We thought this could be cool as we could conquer our own civ, but you can't attack any of their settlements on the map because you are still considered to be a part of it. They have yet to come and siege us though. Does anyone know if its possible to get to be at peace with your own faction or what causes them to declare on you? I sent some raids out vs some goblins that we weren't at war with, but I don't think that'd be the cause. Let me know what you guys think.

[Quietust]

Are you sure your friend was reading the Civ screen correctly? Last I checked, the "W" display was based on the current selection, so if a Goblin or Elf civilization was selected, it could've shown the War indicator next to your parent civ.

[Loud Whispers]

This should be impossible in the current and past versions of the game, especially since DF doesn't handle civil wars in Fortress mode too well

[Shonai_Dweller]

But it has been reported previously on the tracker for the current version. It's even been triggered by other sites in background worldgen without any prompting from the player.

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=10878

First though, yeah, check you're reading the civ screen correctly (post a screenshot here too).

[evilmagic]

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Screen shot from my friend, our site government is the Diamond Hammer (coolest random gen name btw).

[Seolferwulf]

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Screen shot from my friend, our site government is the Diamond Hammer (coolest random gen name btw).

That's a photo made with a phone, not a proper screenshot.
And it doesn't show the war/peace indicators, the yellow (or was it blue?) letters to the right behind each faction.
Tell your friend to make a real screenshot that shows the whole thing.

[evilmagic]

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Screen shot from my friend, our site government is the Diamond Hammer (coolest random gen name btw).

That's a photo made with a phone, not a proper screenshot.
And it doesn't show the war/peace indicators, the yellow (or was it blue?) letters to the right behind each faction.
Tell your friend to make a real screenshot that shows the whole thing.

it literally shows that, look at the picture. It doesnt matter how its taken as long as it shows whats needed.

[Shonai_Dweller]

I can see the War and Peace indicators in that photo.
Yeah, looks like the site is at war with it's own civ.

Make a copy of the save, retire and take a dig through Legends. You might find out how you ended up at war.

[Loud Whispers]

How about that
I've never seen anything like that before

[Seolferwulf]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Screen shot from my friend, our site government is the Diamond Hammer (coolest random gen name btw).

That's a photo made with a phone, not a proper screenshot.
And it doesn't show the war/peace indicators, the yellow (or was it blue?) letters to the right behind each faction.
Tell your friend to make a real screenshot that shows the whole thing.

it literally shows that, look at the picture. It doesnt matter how its taken as long as it shows whats needed.

Yeah, sorry about that.
I guess when I wrote that I was too tired to notice the freaking scrollbar...

[Grand Sage]

it confused me for a second too Anyway, would be nice to hear how this turns out. Will your civ attack you? will caravans turn hostile or stop coming? migrants? pls keep us posted

[Daris]

I'm running a game that is now almost 70 years old, and have been at war with my civ for more than half of that.  I've been collecting save files in the bug report from Reddit users as often as I can.  I check the Legends when the save files are posted - the invariable cause is that the home civ attacked one of its own non-player sites after gameplay began.  Twice the site has been attacked after it was taken from goblins, but other times the home civ attacked one of its own sites out of apparently nowhere.

it confused me for a second too Anyway, would be nice to hear how this turns out. Will your civ attack you? will caravans turn hostile or stop coming? migrants? pls keep us posted

Caravans just stop coming.  Migrants stop coming.  The home civ has not attacked the player site in any report I've seen.  There is still an outpost liaison, but said liaison does not arrive and there is no announcement that the liaison didn't show up.

It seems like a pretty common occurrence if you run the game long enough.  My civil war came after ~25 years, but a recent one I found had the war start in the first winter after gameplay began.

[Grand Sage]

hmm... the question is, if the war started because your civ attacked one of there own sites, or if that is simply the first symptom of a war that started over some underlying reason... I know human hamlets are known to fight each other over water/grazing rights, so Im wondering if there is some underlying reason for the war, or if its just plain buggy.

[Saiko Kila]

You should have given the adamantine sock to the quester and be done with it. Now it's too late.

Caravans just stop coming.  Migrants stop coming.  The home civ has not attacked the player site in any report I've seen.  There is still an outpost liaison, but said liaison does not arrive and there is no announcement that the liaison didn't show up.

It seems like a pretty common occurrence if you run the game long enough.  My civil war came after ~25 years, but a recent one I found had the war start in the first winter after gameplay began.

You weren't trying to become a capital before that? It would be interesting if they waged a war against a capital.

[Shonai_Dweller]

hmm... the question is, if the war started because your civ attacked one of there own sites, or if that is simply the first symptom of a war that started over some underlying reason... I know human hamlets are known to fight each other over water/grazing rights, so Im wondering if there is some underlying reason for the war, or if its just plain buggy.

Human (and goblin) sites attacking each other (which has happened for a long time) in Legends are very clearly site vs site attacks with no indication of site vs own civ.

I guess this all started (or at least became noticable) a couple of releases ago (during this arc) when Toady tweaked the dwarf figures to encourage them to actually attack other sites (besides in retaliation from player raids) from time to time.