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[birdman]

Figuring out how to stock the hospitals was easy enough, and they're full of soap, thread, splints, all the goodies. So then WHY WON'T THEY USE THE SUPPLIES IN THE HOSPITAL! All of my medical dwarves are running ALL the way to the thread stockpile, then running ALL the way back, when there's perfectly good thread right. there. the same goes for soap, even though the soap stockpile is close, it's still not closer than the containers by any measuring.

How do I get my medical dwarves to actually USE the supplies in the hospital containers.

[Fleeting Frames]

Are the thread stockpiles, perhaps, on a different z-level? Quick closeness check doesn't consider the floors and walls in the way.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Are the thread stockpiles, perhaps, on a different z-level? Quick closeness check doesn't consider the floors and walls in the way.

Do they prioritize stockpile thread over hospital thread if it's "nearer", usually?

[Fleeting Frames]

In my 43.03 tests, I saw they will take thread from anywhere, including other hospitals, but will prefer hospitals with beds to hospitals without.

However, I used embark-brought thread in those tests, so they wouldn't have checked if the dwarves go for newer thread.

[PatrikLundell]

If I remember correctly, hospital supplies are supposed to include buckets, but those are never used. If all other buckets are in use you'd get spammed by "no available bucket" spam. That may have been fixed, though.

I've seen hospitals being restocked after the hospital having been used, so I think some things have been taken from the stocks (and I think I've seen them take stocked items as well).

However, if dorfs use normal logic for getting stuff, they'd take things from the stockpile geometrically closest to where they were when they took the job, and since DF doesn't string hospital jobs together, but rather uses the normal "walk away and think about it for a while" strategy, it's likely the dorf doing the actual work won't be the one who made the diagnosis, unless you've only got one medical dorf (in which case it's eventually the one who's being hospitalized).

[Blue_Dwarf]

Were hospital supplies fixed in the first place? Because I remember them not working a long time ago.

[birdman]

Upon closer examination, it is partly the thread stockpile's fault, at least that's why they kept running down to get thread. It's two z levels down, right underneath them, so I've moved it. They still don't quite use the containers right.

On a side note, my dwarves "perfectly" treated the injured party, but he still got infected despite soap usage and clean water, double checked, yes it's clean. The infection inevitably killed him, and strangely at first his blood loss receded thanks to treatment but then it just... crept back in??? do they not bother treating re-opened wounds? how did the wound even re-open?

I've heard the hospital system is goofy but this is something else

[anewaname]

Even if it said "perfectly treated", I would expect there to still be a chance of further complications, including infection or constant pain.

How many wounds did the dwarf have? How long did it take before each was treated?

[Telgin]

I'm pretty sure that infection kills by causing "blood loss," so even though the treatment fixed some of the initial loss, the later infection caused more blood loss until the dwarf died.

And yes, I'm pretty sure that there is a chance of infection even if the wound is cleaned and treated.  Nothing is foolproof when it comes to infection.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Were hospital supplies fixed in the first place? Because I remember them not working a long time ago.

Right now you put a chest in a hospital. It's filled with supplies such are used (except as this thread suggests, there's a stockpile of hospital stuff nearer). The chest is refilled whenever stocks are used. So, in that sense, yes it's working. What was the not-working behaviour?

Would prefer them not to do this actually. But I guess you can workaround it with smaller hospitals and care where you place your stockpiles. And being able to use stockpile stuff is good because it saves cancel spam when stocks are being brought to restock the hospital during a big medical emergency.

[feelotraveller]

What was the not-working behaviour?

There were a couple of notorious overstocking bugs that have been fixed. (Like e.g. every damn thread in the fortress + all they can steal from the caravan.) See the bug section http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.34:Health_care.  I'm not sure that the problem with being unable to use purchased plaster powder has ever been fixed, but then again I gave up purchasing a long time ago and have not checked myself recently...

[birdman]

Even if it said "perfectly treated", I would expect there to still be a chance of further complications, including infection or constant pain.

How many wounds did the dwarf have? How long did it take before each was treated?

The treatment went relatively quick, there were one or two multi-day delays where the dwarf waited in bed for one of the FOUR(FOUR!!!!) medical-only dwarves to get to him. The doctors all had no other labors enabled, they just.... wouldn't stop drinking and eating and sleeping.

The victim in question was a first-month-on-the-job swordsdwarf in training who I threw into a live training room, I believe my mistake was that I threw him in with a goblin general, instead of one of the grunts, but the general was still unarmed and unarmored. If this recruit wasn't made of paper mache I think he would've survived, but instead he was absolutely broken by the goblin's fists. Head torn open, neck torn open, arm torn open, two broken legs and, YOU GUESSED IT: nerve damage. Unhealable, unrealistic nerve damage. I know that's a thing I was just shocked that this dwarf in FULL IRON ARMOR (iron greaves, mail shirt, breastlpate, high boot, gauntlet, and helm) suffered nerve damage! Thinking about it, with that many injuries, I'm guessing soap doesn't beat the odds for infection, and then you just have to hope for survival.

Before you ask, my closest flux layer is all the way down in the first cavern and I hadn't discovered it yet, so that's why I didn't have steel. Would steel have even saved this dwarf, or can fists just..... break your legs through full plate armor?

[Fleeting Frames]

Treatment speed is only thing medic skill affects, so it's better to appoint additional medics rather than wait for others to finish taking care of their base needs.

Anyway, if iron didn't save him, steel wouldn't have either. Also, for a raw recruit that's too heavy setup.

[birdman]

Treatment speed is only thing medic skill affects, so it's better to appoint additional medics rather than wait for others to finish taking care of their base needs.

Anyway, if iron didn't save him, steel wouldn't have either. Also, for a raw recruit that's too heavy setup.

Good to know about the armor, and yeah, he was too heavily equipped. I was hoping the armor would be enough of a handicap against nothing but fists but I was wrong.

[Saiko Kila]

Gobbo general was, probably, very strong in comparison to the dwarf recruit. Maybe even bigger. When in fisticuffs this means much, while armour doesn't. Also if he was using fists instead of a weapon (assuming he had a weapon), then he probably was at least master in hand fight, being a general.

The best defence against such guys is mobility (dodging), or a shield, but with skill.