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[LordBaal]

Hello bay12, I'll try to make it short because I don't have internet, currently using my data plan which is expensive and scarce. Also my battery is running low and we haven't had electrical power in all day(ended up writing this on my pc).

No, not gonna ask for money, while it sure would help a lot, it won't help me in what I'm currently doing and which is draining my time and sanity. I need help with a webpage.

As some of you might know, Venezuela is currently deep in a huge crisis, and strafing with horrors at every level of our daily lives that it could be hard for some to comprehend or even fathom. We could discuss this later and you can ask me anything you want if you are curious about how badly things are.

Currently I'm on the process of getting my 1yr old baby a passport, the government simply won't issue him one because basically, he's their property. They won't state it outright but you can read between the lines their intention is to restrain as many people here or force them to leave illegally. Basically they want to screw you as hard and evilly as they can for the evil lulz of it (it's even more serious and complex but for now that sums it pretty well).

Luckily my wife grandmother is Colombian, unluckily my wife's father never cared about claiming that second nationality and when he finally did, cancer appeared and severed a lot of plans, dreams and hearts. However, despite his demise, we can make a post morten claim on his Colombian nationality, so my wife can claim it, and finally our son can and then ask for his Colombian passport.

In order for this to happen we only require one last piece of paper getting the apostille, his birth certificate to be exact. However the appointment web system put by the government is horribly convoluted and slow to load, on top of an already wimpy internet well, it's basically impossible for me to get an appointment. I have some weeks trying to, but it has been impossible.

So, is anyone interested on trying to do the thing for me? It's actually pretty simple to do, but I'm at the point were basically asking strangers on the internet and handling them my user and password is my only option. The other people asking large sums of dollars it exchange of an appointment, but I don't want to pay some corrupt jerk here such huge sums of money for what's a right for us.

EDIT: The web is enabled only from 9~11pm to 6am (local time) every day, and it deliver appointments at semi-random dates of the month. It's straight up evil. I just spent all night awake, it's 6:50am and have to go to work now, it's been like this for 2 weeks now. I'm on the edge.

[NJW2000]

I'd be happy to give it a shot, though I don't have much experience with negotiating civil administration and such.

I mean, I'm competent-ish, and should be able to fill in a form intended for the layman, but there might be some pretty serious lawyer-types on bay12, and you might prefer to put yourself in the hands of one of those.

Real bummer that you have to give strangers your data just to get your legal rights. Whoever does it, definitely make sure they're an invested member of our community, and thus subject to social pressure not to screw you.

EDIT: I also have un poco espanol and am friends with a law student who speaks the language pretty well. If that would help.

[LordBaal]

Well, all documents are loaded and ready to go. Basically I only need to log in, use the option of a familiar showing up to the appointment from a combobox and clicking next, (my wife and all her data is already selected by default), that would lead to the appointment screen where all the documents that will be certified are loaded (we only need one birth certificate, but we'll try to have as many other things we can) then selecting the State, the civil registry were is going to be (easy pie, we only have one in our whole state) and then selecting the date, saving it and hopefully it will deliver it.

This would only need 3 screens, login, the welcome screen and then the appointment one. Thing is, there's some quirks here and there, ie is not advisable to actually use the next button on the welcome screen but to use a direct link on for the appointment screen. Then the calendar will show lots of dates, most of them will return an "INVALID DATE" and you have to start over, this would not be that complicated and on a regular web you could probably probe all dates within a minute or so. For me it takes all night and sometimes I leave lot of dates unexplored because the time is simply not enough thanks for the constant 404, 500, 502, 504.... errors.

EDIT: I also have un poco espanol and am friends with a law student who speaks the language pretty well. If that would help.

I think that would be ultra useful.

Heading to work now.

[ChairmanPoo]

Si quieres que le eche un ojo mándame un privado.

[smjjames]

Well, we aren't really strangers (though I get what you mean) and you wouldn't be asking here if you didn't have some trust in us, right?

Anyhow, getting ahold of someone with legal knowledge would definetly be a good idea and helpful.

As for Colombia, I get that you're doing it as a last legal resort, but I'm not sure what the situation is for Colombia as it'd be tense over there. I mean, I don't know what they're doing with those coming in, like deporting or refusing, I just know it's been tense for some time.

As an absolute last resort, you should still be able to do something with asylum or perhaps refugee status. Yes, I know, you've stated that not outright bolting for the border with your family is a matter of pride, I get that, but there have been plenty of smart educated people who did become refugees.

Given that Bolsonaro is looking likely to win the Brazillian election and given how he is a Latin American version of Trump (I've seen comparisons to Duterte though), I can see him cracking down on people coming in from Venezuela. So, if the Colombia option fails, Brazil is probably out.

[Teneb]

If wonder if the Guyanas are accepting refugees/migrants.

[LordBaal]

Well the page in cuestión is:
http://citaslegalizaciones.mppre.gob.ve/principal/inicio
Or
https://citaslegalizaciones.mppre.gob.ve/principal/inicio

f anyone can load it right now please respond here or send me a pm. For the moment it seems like is down from here. It should be active for another 7 hours or so.

PD: you are right smjjames, we aren't total strangers either and I do have my fair share of trust on you guys.

[Trekkin]

Down for me, and isup confirms it's down.

[Yoink]

My internet isn't very good, but I could give it a shot.
When are we supposed to book this appointment for, though? Just trial-and-error until we find the soonest available date?

Edit: ninja'd

[LordBaal]

The soonest date available.

[smjjames]

The first one is down, the second one seems to be acting like it's loading EXTREMELY slowly, or not at all. Like at bad dialup slow. Isitdownrightnow.com comes up as down for both.

Editwhiletyping: The second one finally loaded, took like, 4 minutes.

Rechecked the second one with isitdownrightnow and it still shows up as not responding, there's probably a time cutoff before it decides whether it's responding or not.

[wierd]

Ahh, my bad.  Not trying to get the document req info, trying to book a departure...

Ok, I will dig into the cached page's underbelly. See if I can find the database it is poking.

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Sadly, it appears to use discrete javascript files for the jquery goodies, and thus obfuscates the location of the database server, and the tables it queries. I cannot get cached versions of the requisite javascript files it calls for analysis.

Currently a dead-end.

[NJW2000]

I got this far:

If the image is too large to load well, it's a screen saying "correo", "clave", with a captcha. I assume login details are needed further.

I'll be around this computer all day, so message me. I've managed to open it on two different tabs, it's slow but not undealable with.

Screen in question linked below:

https://i.imgur.com/fyEX2ca.png

[LordBaal]

I got this far:

If the image is too large to load well, it's a screen saying "correo", "clave", with a captcha. I assume login details are needed further.

I'll be around this computer all day, so message me. I've managed to open it on two different tabs, it's slow but not undealable with.

Screen in question linked below:

https://i.imgur.com/fyEX2ca.png

That's right!

Enter: http://citaslegalizaciones.mppre.gob.ve/principal/inicio

Once you solve the capcha, input the email and the password you should end up looking a page like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

That is blank of course, in my inlaw's account you'll see a bunch of data. Once this screen is up an loaded the important thing to do would be not to click anything and instead paste and go to the following link: http://citaslegalizaciones.mppre.gob.ve/cita/familiar

This will show you a page similar to this one:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Since all documents and data is already loaded (took me two weeks doing so) you don't have to do anything here but click the green button that says "Continuar"

The last action will display two combo boxes and a yellow button that says "Buscar Fecha" and a green button that reads "Guardar Cita", similar to the following:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

In the first combobox you must select LARA, which is the state. Then wait for the second combo to load and select the only option it will be, if I recall is something along the lines of "Registro principal del estado Lara".

Then you click on the yellow button to select the date, it will display a small calendar and that might seem unable at first, go to the November month and you'll see a lot of dates enabled, select any (thought I would rather the nearest ones) and then click on it to save the appointment.

This might result on two things, either it will say "invalid date" or will successfully save it.

Oh and there's a complement for Mozilla and Chrome that automatically reloads the page whenever it fails so you don't have to (that's right, this is such a problem that there's an specific component for it). You'll find it here:
Firefox:
https://addons.mozilla.org/es/firefox/addon/ayudante-de-tramites/

Firefox on android:
https://addons.mozilla.org/es/firefox/addon/ayudante-de-tramites-android/

Chrome:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ayudante-de-tramites/jmpbfgcgdhmhloabdbnjcbghceicelpb?hl=es-419

Here's a video of how to do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ7FLqWUXCs
The first two minutes are the important part.

[NJW2000]

I've got to the first screenshot you posted, but keep getting either timeout-->reenter password or 404 errors after pasting in the link  http://citaslegalizaciones.mppre.gob.ve/cita/familiar.


I'll give it another shot later.