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Re: Rune Race: Loji Thread
« Reply #390 on: September 29, 2019, 01:48:35 pm »

It's not even about being out of range, it's simply a lot harder to scare somebody who's not engaged and does not EXPECT to be engaged in direct combat.


Naturegirl the Aeroglobe operators would be MUCH further away and feel MUCH safer.
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« Reply #391 on: October 03, 2019, 04:35:35 pm »

Design Phase

Runic System Experiment (Refining): Shape(Air), Ward(Air), Attack(Air)

New Rite Discovered: Shape(Air), Ward(Air), Attack(Air) - Blue Jade Dust
Our first Rite has produced a small quantity of blue dust, under testing this dust reveals a number of surprising properties. First and most importantly, we are unable to damage or melt this material. Even with the aid of chanting we do not believe we can materially affect it. The dust can get very hot without any sign of expansion, melting or weakness due to that heat. As a result we have no way of forming items of pure jade.
Secondly, the dust is light and appears to embody the aspect of swiftness. Those handling it finding their movements to be faster as though aided by a playful wind.

Refining Secret Discovered: Demi-Artifice
By mixing this dust with lesser metals we believe it would be possible to create a lesser work of Artifice. Creating such an artifact is a major undertaking and would likely be fragile, risking destruction in battle. In return we could likely attain a sacred relic capable of performing feats beyond the capability of any other magic. Speaking of other magic, we believe much of what we have discovered already can contribute their aspects to widening the scope of what can be created.

All artifacts, even Demi-Artifacts carry a Name and no two artifacts will ever have the same Name. Even if we attempted to create two artifacts of the same type and purpose they will take on sharply different appearances and ways of achieving the desired result.

Refining Secret Discovered: Artifice
We do not yet know how to create a true Artifact, yet we theorise that Blue Jade can be used in their creation. The dust is lacking in some essential way that prevents it from being used for true artifice. A true artifact would likely be invincible or as close to it as it is possible to manage.

Elemental Materials
Using a pure elemental chant during a Refining Rite, we can imbue the resulting material with a single elemental nature. At present we only know how to imbue a Wind nature.
Speed will strengthen the natural swiftness of Blue Jade to unparalleled and dangerous intensity. Separation is capable of pushing those struck violently away. Flight reduces weight beyond weightlessness to actively lift a material away from the earth.

Conflagration Ballista
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The crossbow has served us very well in the past. It is now a weapon capable of throwing bolts of melting metal at our opponents from ranges unimaginable by unassisted archers. We, however, have developed a new crossbow...one too large for use by a single person no matter how strong. A crossbow cocked by gears and levers, braced with metal and powered more by the tension of wound cables than a normal crossbow, capable of throwing a much larger projectile even further with far more devastating effects. Firing bolts as long as a man's leg or stones or spheres just as heavy, this new weapon will be capable of dealing incredibly lethal damage from much further than the enemy can hope to reply.

Similar to the standard Roman ballista but larger, the Conflagration Ballista will throw a spherical projectile of Air Phased Fire Iron or Fire Steel, stone, OR a more standard bolt-shaped projectile for extreme range when not using Air Phased projectiles. Mounted on a small Sailcart, these weapons are positioned on the battlefield to disrupt enemy formations or shatter their most dangerous units by throwing molten metal into them from extreme range.

No cloth or metal can save a soldier near the impact of a molten shot, as the melting metal will be sprayed all around and kill anyone no matter how well protected, nor can anyone hope to survive a direct strike from a stone or bolt cast from these machines...or even survive a strike from a stone that has already tumbled through several soldiers in front of them.

Hard: 5-1 = 4

We needed to adjust the position of the sail forwards to accommodate the ballista. Naturally we could not set it up to fire forwards, so we debated for a while using a sidewards firing position to mimic the standard firing method used by our crossbowmen when firing from a mounted position. Ultimately however, we decided that this could lead to accuracy issues should the cart move too much while firing. Instead we have mounted the ballista with a rearward facing arc. Using wooden wedges and some bracing by the crew, we can keep the cart from shifting forwards overmuch while firing. Some problems remain due to the turning arc of the cart limiting our ability to fine tune the direction of the ballista without a lot of backwards and forwards movement. We can of course pivot the ballista somewhat, but the narrowness of the smaller cart limits our firing angles without larger scale adjustments of the cart’s position.
Cost: Expensive (Land 3, Ore 2, Mana 2)

It is now Summer, Turn 5 Revision Phase

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« Reply #392 on: October 03, 2019, 05:25:45 pm »

Spoiler: nope. (click to show/hide)

Armor Improvement: Stillborne Full-Plate Armor(Plus Blue Jade Dust/Flight)
Fold 10000 Times, Ancient Eastern Saying.

While not a full 10000 times, the addition of Blue Jade Dust is a huge boon to armor making. For this, we've requested Blue Jade Dust to be enhanced with the aspect of Flight.(Henceforth referred to as BJD(Flight)) The BJD(Flight) is then folded into Stillborn Steel as it is being hammered, with small quantities being added over time as we hammer and fold it into shape. The result is a plate of armor made up of Stillborn Steel, with the BJD(Flight) being evenly distributed throughout the piece.

Needless to say, these plates are very light, and very good at stopping hits cold. Likewise, we've also upgraded our Northmen Shields to use this, adding a single layer of this steel to the wood, and painting that.

For simplicity's sake, we are going with Full Plate, from greaves to gauntlets. The actual design will need to be worked out by the Loji as a whole, but it will be cushioned by wool and linen. The helmet is still the old conical+cheek guard style, which protects the head fully, but leaves sight fully open.

Some may choose to go without the gauntlet as too much, but nothing is more satisfying than punching an Iquan face in, since it still hurts when Stillborn Steel gets going. The gauntlets are a bit lighter, with just the upper side of the hand guarded so as to allow easy grip of weapons, with the rest as cloth. And the obvious punch to Iqua Faces if you want to.

Anyway, the end result is a new armor for all our forces. Likewise, we will likely be phasing out the older one and switching to producing this one. Our Windforges have improved a good deal over time.

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Re: Rune Race: Loji Thread
« Reply #393 on: October 03, 2019, 05:31:41 pm »

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« Reply #394 on: October 03, 2019, 06:03:18 pm »

Note the first doesn't actually work Ng.

Another simpler idea. Since the second is more design territory. We want Best Armor after all.

Blue Jade Dust, Folding It In
Revision to Infrastructure, I guess? It's just adding Dust into the finished product.

Simple name. We are simply giving this stuff to our blacksmiths to mix in as they'll folding and forging the various metals we create. From basic steel, Fire Iron and Fire Steel, Stillborn Steel, and Windforged Steel. There is an old eastern saying of folding metal 10000 times, but simply adding in the BJD over the course of the folding and shaping process of finished items will imbue them with the aspect of swiftness. and we'll see what happens from there. Best of all, still quite cheap to do. If it works, well... We'll be well on our way to flight sooner or later.
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Re: Rune Race: Loji Thread
« Reply #395 on: October 03, 2019, 06:07:01 pm »

Quote from: votebix
Armor Improvement: Stillborne Full-Plate Armor(Plus Blue Jade Dust/Flight)(2):TricMagic, naturegirl1999
Fixed the votebox
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« Reply #396 on: October 03, 2019, 06:12:45 pm »

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Armor Improvement: Stillborne Full-Plate Armor(Plus Blue Jade Dust/Flight)(1): naturegirl1999
Blue Jade Dust, Folding It In: (1) TricMagic
Fixed the votebox

I'd say something about voting for me. Anyway, simply adding it in during the folding process should work. Still Demi, or maybe still Demi. Either way, the BJD will be in the metals. And that means everyone gets a swiftness upgrade.
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Re: Rune Race: Loji Thread
« Reply #397 on: October 03, 2019, 06:15:40 pm »

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Armor Improvement: Stillborne Full-Plate Armor(Plus Blue Jade Dust/Flight)(1): naturegirl1999
Blue Jade Dust: (1) TricMagic
Fixed the votebox

I'd say something about voting for me. Anyway, simply adding it in during the folding process should work. Still Demi, or maybe still Demi. Either way, the BJD will be in the metals. And that means everyone gets a swiftness upgrade.
Sorry, I thought proposers voted on their proposals. It won’t happen again
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Re: Rune Race: Loji Thread
« Reply #398 on: October 03, 2019, 06:43:16 pm »

That might work better as a full design I think. We don't even have a plate cuirass to work off of. Also, it wouldn't be demi-artificing. No, we do that when we want to go big and don't want to be tied down to the rules as much. Remember that Artifacts, whether Demi or True, are unique creations.

Anyhow, my suggestion:

Talisman of Wind
This piece of jewelry is not a simple statement of fashion or wealth; no, it is a symbol of Loji Mastery and the pursuit of such. Inscribed upon this item are the Runes for Empowering ones Voice; their control of Shape(Air), to the point where directing all the winds within their local area becomes not just a sign of Herculean Mastery and effort, but an achievable goal within the grasp of the studious.

Of course, such a magical focus is found primarily among those who have devoted themselves towards mastery of one's Voice; the Voiceguard.
(TL;DR: Give the Voiceguard a Moderate Strength Empowered Shape(Air) Rune item)
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« Reply #399 on: October 04, 2019, 03:09:46 am »

That might work better as a full design I think. We don't even have a plate cuirass to work off of. Also, it wouldn't be demi-artificing. No, we do that when we want to go big and don't want to be tied down to the rules as much. Remember that Artifacts, whether Demi or True, are unique creations.

Anyhow, my suggestion:

Talisman of Wind
This piece of jewelry is not a simple statement of fashion or wealth; no, it is a symbol of Loji Mastery and the pursuit of such. Inscribed upon this item are the Runes for Empowering ones Voice; their control of Shape(Air), to the point where directing all the winds within their local area becomes not just a sign of Herculean Mastery and effort, but an achievable goal within the grasp of the studious.

Of course, such a magical focus is found primarily among those who have devoted themselves towards mastery of one's Voice; the Voiceguard.
(TL;DR: Give the Voiceguard a Moderate Strength Empowered Shape(Air) Rune item)

Blue Jade Rainmaker
A specialized tool made to bring forth to mind the sounds of rain, this item can be used in tune with chants, with skilled users able to keep the rain to the cadence of the chant itself. Not only does it sound peaceful, it's swiftness-granting effects grant deftness to help with using it. and in tune with our Voiceguard, the effects will last longer, and the burden reduced.

Made of wood, Blue Jade Dust and more regular beads, once capped the resultant Rainmaker is then inscribed with a Medium Shape(Air) Empowered Rune, and painted to the style of the user.(Who at the moment, will always be the Voiceguard themselves)

No doubt expensive too normal people, but the Voiceguard is rare enough they can make use of this piece of equipment.


Cost Prediction: 2 Land+1 Mana+4 Mana.
Mana of 2 is a cost deficient of 3, with attack Meaning upgrade bringing it down 1 Mana to Expensive if we go that route. As is, the Voiceguard are VE, and so equipment like this will see use. Alternatively, take the Jungle. It taking 2 mana rather than 1 is still within VE range though Stick to the beat of your chant, and victory is assured. Let the rain fall slowly and/or swiftly.

Needless to say, we also have more a more normal variant without the Empowered Rune, for normal people's use like our Blacksmiths and Refiners in day to day work. Bit self evident, though we'd need a Refinery design to take advantage of this. Unless Tallion throws it to us as a bonus, meaning they can make more without getting as tired.



BJD, cost 1. Shape(Air) empowerment for Mana Battery, cost 1. Shape(Air) Medium Empowerment inscription, cost 3? Total, 5. Cost deficient of 3, or potential 4?

Literally All the Air Magic Rainmaker
BJD, check. Empowered Shape(Air) rune in the Refinement, check. Rainmaker ready to store the Mana Battery BJD, check. Inscription on the finished Rainmaker of Medium Empowerment Shape(Air), check. Painted a blue jade color, check.

This Rainmaker is all of our techniques put into a single item for Voiceguard use to start. It is hoped it will serve an instrument for them to use, but even without that advancement, it still grants swiftness, a mana battery, and the ability to cover the field with a Medium Empowered Chant on command. Our Hellbringers are going to be happy with this, and it will reduce the difficulty for our Windbringers. The pure expression of Air Magic, most particularly the battery, will also help those who don't need the Shape(Air) empowerment as well.

This piece of equipment will be very useful in the Summer to come, and in the future when we take to the skies on Wings of Wind and Blue Jade. Though the latter part is a ways off still.

Despite the Name, we do not use the Wind Chant for Elemental Material. That would be silly and a bit pointless? Though making a single prototype that does would be interesting if we have the time, the traits aren't needed when the BJD is already an Air Magic material.



More writing.

Painters of the Loji Workshops

A specialized addition to our workshops, this will fall under an infrastructure project. Put simply, painters. The makings of brush and paint to adorn our armor and vehicles. Though to be honest, this is just where the Painters for the Loji will do their work.

The first part are the Holy Refineries, which produce their own holy material. In this case, dust, Blue Jade Dust to be specific. From here, it is mixed to create paints, and then applied to our stuff. A chanter/painter sect dedicated to the mixture and creation of paints both mundane and magical. This will effectively increase our overall ability to mix paint colors, but the main draw is that using the dust for the paints means we can apply the BJD to items.

To start, we have four painters to access. The first is the standard Blue Jade Painters. They mostly apply the basic Blue Jade Paint to Sailcarts, and some armors, and are the lowest tier, not yet skilled enough in applying Holier Paints.

The second is the Speed Blue Jade Painters. They mix and apply Blue Jade Dust that has been enhanced with the power of the Wind chant, the aspect of Speed. They carefully apply their brushes to the Sailcarts, and use streaming lines to create an image of art. This obviously makes the carts very quick. They don't usually apply it to anything else though due to the current dangers of being too fast for humans.

Third, Separation Blue Jade Painters. their job is to paint armor and weapons of the Stillborn variety. Given the number of scales in a full armor set, this is one reason why being close to the Windforges is a good thing, as they can apply the paint before the armor is given out, and repaint it when it gets damaged in the heat of combat or after repairs. They also paint shields, which is a much easier job

Forth is the Flight Blue Jade Painters. However, they currently don't have a job other than helping others in painting lighting lines on the heavy pieces to make them easier to lift and swing around. Though this in itself can be applied to weapons, and done properly, they have their full weight behind the swing while being easy to maneuver around.


It can't really be denied that the Painters of the Loji are a vital part of Loji Power, for all they don't fight directly. And thanks to having an area to themselves, they can focus on mixing paints with the Holy Materials. There is one additional part to their jobs, making the paint waterproof and heat resistant, as well as making paint remover for when an idiot screws up or something needs reforging.



[tl:dr] They are a new infrastructure, and their job is quite literally Paint. As such, they mix Holy Dust into paint, and then paint the Loji's gear with their brushes. A Holy Sect when the images painted often depict martial prowess and stories. Additional Dust types would need to be folded in, but this allows us to deploy BJD painted items to the battlefield, within reason. Anything too complicated that needs multiple would require a full design itself.

For levels, each level of development grants you the ability to deploy Refined Holy Material Paints of 1, 2, or 3 cost, and so on As the cost happens to be linked to amount needed... Effectively, cost reductions for stuff that uses it. Needless to say, this also includes Land cost for the paints, having a dedicated area.

Ah. For carts, they get Speed Paint, and the regular stuff for the ones that can't be painted with it, if any.
Stillborn Armor and Weapons get Separation Paint, with some Flight Paint as well on officer's gear. Shields also get a simple coat of it.

Flight Paint has no use at the moment other than some minor lightening of weapons and some officer armor. It will be the Paint of Choice when making anything that flies though.

The basic painters get drudge work, like making paints and paint remover, as well as painting the stuff that can't afford the extra 1 cost from the Wind chant. And Ballista for swiftness of adjustment.

Even Shorter Summary. Applying the new dust to equipment via paints using it.




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Armor Improvement: Stillborne Full-Plate Armor(Plus Blue Jade Dust/Flight)(1): naturegirl1999
Blue Jade Dust: ()
Talisman of Wind
Literally All the Air Magic Rainmaker: (1) TricMagic
Painters of the Loji Workshops: (1) TricMagic

I'll note I'm pretty sure painting is heading into demi-territory again, only for Water this time. But hey, it gets applied, and best to learn if it works now rather that later.

Rainmaker is adding everything we have so far on Air into a Percussion instrument, and relying on the "It's Air Magic" explanation for a new equipment. Will likely be hard as it's a revision, but on the other hand, none of the stuff on it's own is difficult. Blue Jade Dust turned into a Mana Battery, put in the rainmaker and sealed. Then the Shape(Air) Medium Power Rune is inscribed on the rainmaker. That's it. Hopefully, this makes an instrument we can use too, but all the other functions are useful still for Windbringers and Hellbringers.
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« Reply #400 on: October 04, 2019, 09:49:03 am »

Would you like to make EVEN MORE designs into revisions and get nothing because they were insanely difficult?

Here's three proposals for revisions:

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Einherjar (Lone/Single Warriors, in English)
A version of the Wind of Stillness with Medium power on all runes (combined with our 2 discounts, that should be 4. If it's not and I've made a mistake, the Chant should be Expensive) is supplied to a new group of infantry, meant to fight where our normal infantry are too cowardly to go. They are functionally less elite versions of the Jarls of the Maelstrom, utilizing the same Chant at a weaker power and using, for now, normal weapons. Supported by massed volleys of incredibly accurate air-phased arrows capable of piercing the stillness they lay on the enemies, these new soldiers will undoubtedly be capable of forming a new line force to make up for our deficient infantry---the use of Stillness allows fewer elite troops to cover a much wider field without losing effectiveness, freeing most of our men up to shoot the enemy to pieces.

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Lightened Scale
Standard scale armor worked with a very small amount of Blue Jade Dust applied during its forging (enough, say, to remain Cheap, however much of that stuff we have [if it's going to be a resource why haven't we been told how much we have yet?]) to acquire some amount of swiftness, further aiding our soldiers in being the most mobile force on and off the battlefield.

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Conflagration Ballista Carts
An adjustment to the swivel mount and an alteration to the cart has allowed the ballista to be pointed in almost any direction except for forwards, allowing for much greater firing arcs. In addition, a simple modification to disconnect the gears that allow for fine-tuning the elevation of the ballista has allowed the ballista to be stabilized on the move just by the shooting placing a hand on the weapon. (this is literally the WWII American vertical stabilizer for tank guns. It is just that simple) This, combined with the greater firing arcs, allows the ballistae carts to be a much more mobile emplacement while firing. There's no need for blocks under the wheels, if the cart moves a bit when the ballista fires (for some physically incomprehensible reason, the inertia and friction of the wheels should be far too much for it, we're not firing a cannon), then the crewmen should be easily able to push it until it stops.
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« Reply #401 on: October 04, 2019, 01:37:50 pm »

I mean, the all the LAAM Rainmaker is literally just stuff stuffed into a single piece of gear for use. Is it really that hard to do? I mean, I get the Full Plate being design territory. But the LAAM is just every Air Magic tech we have in a single piece of equipment, putting it all together into one. Difficult, sure. But it's not like it can go wrong? We have the tech, we just need to apply it.


BJD, Shape(Air) empowerment added in. Apparently normal? =Mana Battery.

Poured into Rainmaker carved from wood, and capped. We now have a Mana Battery that also grants Swiftness.

From there, inscribe Medium Powered Rune Shape(Air) onto Rainmaker, making it a foci, which it already was thanks to the Mana Battery Part.

Give to Voiceguard for use by Windbringers and Hellbringers, burn everything.

Additional, has the potential to be a Musical Instrument, which would be a bonus. the steps aren't that difficult to do, only requiring a Refinement, which we can already use an option to make the dust a Mana Battery. Then Inscription, also something we can do easily. It's only cost that is the issue, and it's for VE use in the first place. It is three steps. Refinement Rite, pouring into Rainmaker carved from wood and capped, Inscribed with Shape(Air). That's all.
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« Reply #402 on: October 04, 2019, 02:57:04 pm »

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A refining rite incorporating a Shape(Air) Empowerment inscription alongside a Wind chant is carried out to produce an empowered Blue Jade dust augmented with the elemental aspect of swiftness. The dust is added to Windforged Steel during the forging process, and the resultant metal is shaped into a talisman for use as a mana supply by the honoured Chanters of Loji. This Psalmfount is to be worn around the Chanter's neck in proximity to the larynx, the blessed birthplace of the voice. This being our first foray into proper Elemental Materials, it is unknown whether the enhanced swiftness property will affect the wearer as a whole, but we expect to see a significant increase in chanting rapidity at the very least.

Spoiler: Rune strengths (click to show/hide)

Here's a supposedly Cheap item intended to boost all of our Chanters. I think it should be doable as a revision as it's not aiming to do anything fancy apart from augmenting a refinement rite using secrets within our grasp and mixing the products into a material we're already very used to working with.

Distracted, she lost her place within the chant, fear momentarily slipping its grip on the Hellbringer seeking to complete his chant through choking fear.

The above passage emphasises the fact that completing a chant takes time, and that Chanters may be interrupted or stifled before being able to unleash its effect. Hastening our Chanters might minimise such occurrences, and makes them better suited to operating in time-critical situations. It also obviously allows for a greater rate of fire where applicable.
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« Reply #403 on: October 04, 2019, 03:37:57 pm »

Note the dangerous speeds aspect.


Wind Jewel

A Chanter's Wind-blown glass, with Blue Jade Dust carefully added as it is made, producing a piece of jewelry not unlike a blue gemstone. Thanks to the Blue Jade Dust being infused with a Shape(Air) Rune during it's Refining Rite, this Wind Jewel acts as a Mana Battery for all Chants. In addition, certain Wind Jewels will go to the Voiceguard carefully inscribed with Shape(Air) Medium Empowerment, which can give the chanter a far larger area of effect for their chants.(Windbringers and Hellbringers for the Shape(Air) ones) The rest will be handed out to various Chanters.

This Jewel is inset into a Windforged Steel clasp, and hung around the neck to hang close to the larynx, the blessed birthplace of our voices. Moreover, the clasp can be undone to replace the jewel once it's charge runs out, and they're cheap enough that most Chanters can carry a few. Of course, even without a charge, the Shape(Air) inscribed ones can still be used for their effects.
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« Reply #404 on: October 05, 2019, 03:31:15 am »

Quote from: Votebox (choose 2)
Stillborne Full-Plate Armor: (1) naturegirl1999
Blue Jade Dust, Folding It In: (1) TricMagic
Psalmfounts: (1) AC
Conflagration Ballista Carts: (1) AC

I think that armour improvements should be delayed to the next turn so we can bundle everything into a single proper design. Addressing issues with the ballista is a worthwhile use of a revision, given that it's the major thing we're bringing into the field this time round.
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