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[piratejoe]

Design Phase, Late Summer 1915

The navy accepts the Balloons, but doesn't use them in any raid this season, instead converting a cargo ship to preform tests with the Gwyliwr Adran, which they find to be quite good in helping the guns keep firing. They plan on using them for a proper raid later this summer should you provide them. It should be noted that these tests revealed that with the radio included, the Balloons can only carry 4 people, but that's fine.

There are a few unsubstantiated rumours that a cabal of artillery officers are considering acquiring balloons for use by the army.

High command has increased your budget by 2 PP, as the country devotes more factories to war.

Spoiler: Projects (click to show/hide)

C15 Tŵr Awyr | 5/6 progress | 2 PP per die | Rushed 0 times | 2 PP invested

Spoiler: Designs and Technology (click to show/hide)

Planes:
-AGC ‘Saeth’ Biplane: A unarmed, single-seater reconnaissance plane made by Awyrennau gwynt cryf, also known as Strong wind aviation. Very accurately named, as its a fairly fast aircraft that is about as easy to turn as a arrow in flight is and not even a strong wind will really push it. The craft is fittingly powered by a five-cylinder rotary engine and made of wood and canvas making it fairly cheap to make. Cost: 3/1
--AGC-AMD "Saeth" Biplane A AGC Saeth variant made after AGC merged with  Atebion Mecanyddol Deinamig. It has improved control surfaces, better aerodynamics, and better wing placement allowing it to be more maneuverable and slightly faster both in climb speed and more traditional speed. Its basically a better version of the old Saeth though it is still powered by the same engine.
Balloons:
-C15 Tŵr Awyr: A two man balloon with a full capacity of 5. One to two people watch out and observe the lines from the sky and take notes while one to two manage communications with the ground. Comes with two sets of Binoculars, two Legal pads, and a Sextant, Radio currently not tested. Costs 2/1
Equipment:
-GW "Galw Allan" 78: An outdated and heavy radio the army has so generously given to us. It has a short range and works as a Morse code receiver/transmitter and is only 100 pounds with the battery. The radio operates at frequencies of 450-550kHz and has a 5 mile range.
Pilots:
-Vigilant: Information in advance is key to any war! Pren Gwyn pilots are very alert and tend to see things in the distance and make out what they are easier.
-Uniforms: green with white accents. Pilots are granted an arrow made of pure copper as a good luck charm to keep with them on their flights, being granted a iron, steel, bronze, silver and gold one to add to their collection as they gain rank.
Technology:
-Basic biplane design
-Basic monoplane design
-Basic balloon design
-Wooden frame construction
-Basic control surfaces: ailerons, elevator and rudder
-Basic crystal receivers, Morse code
-Basic spark-gap transmitter, Morse code
Resources:
-1 Air Instructors: Instructors who quickly teach new pilots how to take off. How to actually properly use the rudder peddles and flightstick is left as an exercise for the student.
-1 Experimental Testing Field: The place where new aircraft and other air-related equipment are made and tested. Produces five dice worth of progress every turn.
-12 Production Points Base

Spoiler: Squadrons (click to show/hide)

Ydfran Adran | AGC ‘Saeth’ Biplane | No Equipment | Aerial Reconnaissance | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to observe enemy shore defenses and troop movements near Nordhafen

Esgob Adran | AGC ‘Saeth’ Biplane | No Equipment | Aerial Reconnaissance | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to observe enemy frontline along the Bont Gwyn-Nachtburg Road

Marchog Adran | AGC ‘Saeth’ Biplane | No Equipment | Aerial Reconnaissance | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to observe enemy frontline along the Gwag du-Sprungburg Road

Gwerinwyr Adran | AGC-AMD "Saeth" Biplane | No Equipment | Aerial Reconnaissance | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to observe enemy frontline along the Bont Gwyn-Nachtburg Road

Gwyliwr Adran | C15 Tŵr Awyr | No Equipment | Naval Artillery Spotting | Neophyte | No Aces | Maintenance Cost 1
Currently assigned to assist Naval Raids along the cost of Brimnach

Spoiler: Equipment (click to show/hide)

None...

Spoiler: Statistics (click to show/hide)

Prestige: Extremely Little “We don't have an Air force, good joke though....You aren't joking?”
Status: Auxiliary Service
Army Relations: Neutral “If what the navy says is true, those balloons could help artillery...could.”
Navy Relations: Lukewarm “These Balloons could be part of the future of fire control.”

Production Points: 12
Total Maintenance: 5

[Aseaheru]

 Righty. Time to turn a jumble of notes into a (semi-functional) design outline.

-edit-
And apparently two more, because I am insane or something.

The Aircraft, Design of 1915 "Saethydd" proposed by Awyrennau Gwynt Cryf-Atebion Mecanyddol Deinamig is, to dumb it down to its simplest, a two-seat pusher-configuration biplane intended to be armed with two machineguns. Or, to go by the actual design log, "a pusher-configuration biplane(possessing a flat upper high-set and a lower dihedral(which, where it meets the fuselage is thickened to contain a fueltank) wingset in a single bay while wire braced and possessing a forward staggar) crewed by a pilot and a gunner/observer, poweredby a 10 cylinder radial variant of the existing AGC 5 cylinder rotary engine armed with a pilot-operated, gunner served hull-mounted machinegun(to be requisitioned) and a second 'Ffoniwch' mounted gunner operated and served machinegun, possessing an internal bay intended for eventual loading of a camera system or a radio massing no more than 20lb(which would be positioned to be operable by either pilot or gunner) and of a structure consisting of geodetic wooden stringers covered in doped linen.

The Aircraft, Design of 1915 "Nodwydd" is an alternative design proposed by Awyrennau Gwynt Cryf-Atebion Mecanyddol Deinamig to cut costs and have a more interception-focused design resulting in a, to dumb it down to its simplest, a single seat pusher-configuration biplane intended to be armed with twin machineguns. Or, to go by the actual design log, "a pusher-configuration biplane(possessing a flat upper high-set and a lower dihedral(which, where it meets the fuselage is thickened to contain a fueltank) wingset in a single bay while wire braced and possessing a forward staggar) crewed by a single pilot, poweredby a 10 cylinder radial variant of the existing AGC 5 cylinder rotary engine armed with twin hull-mounted machineguns(to be requisitioned) while possessing a structure consisting of geodetic wooden stringers covered in doped linen.

Labordai Dylunio Awyrennau's "Clogfeini" bomber is a radical departure from local aircraft design, being a twin-tailed forward-staggered, two-bay, wire braced constant chord, tapered outer dihedral biplane powered by two wing-mounted engine pods each containing two 18-cylinder double-bank rotary engines in tractor-pusher configuration intended to be operated by a crew of atleast 6(10 preferred) and equipped with mounting points for no less than 6  sets of machineguns(nose, tail, dorsal, ventral-ish and two casemated, one on each side. The nose and dorsal mounts are ring mounts, the others are holes with mounting hardware) intended to carry up to 750lb of modified artillery shells in a central bay and be equipped with a GW78 Radio which, apparently is based off of a Russian designed commercial airliner that flew even prior to the start of the great war.

[Doomblade187]

Saethydd (1): Doomblade187

Bombs away.

[Shadowclaw777]

Saethydd (1): Doomblade187
Nodwydd: (1) SC

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308

We need a intercepting before we go bombing so we can take our their enemy craft and not get wrecker since they have machine guns as well

[Doomblade187]

The thing is, airplanes are still hard to down at this stage, and the defensive mgs are easier to aim than a foster mount or even sync gear. We can defend.

[Aseaheru]

Saethydd:(2) Doomblade187, AseaHeru
Nodwydd: (1) SC
Clogfeini: (0)

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (1) AseaHeru

[Jerick]

Saethydd:(2) Doomblade187, AseaHeru
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (2) AseaHeru, Jerick

[Doubloon-Seven]

Saethydd:(3) Doomblade187, AseaHeru, D7
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (3) AseaHeru, Jerick, D7

I'm of the opinion that holding in is better than striking out as of now.

[Doomblade187]

Saethydd:(3) Doomblade187, AseaHeru, D7
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)

1 Dice to Balloons: (1) Doomblade

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (3) AseaHeru, Jerick, D7

[Shadowclaw777]

Saethydd:(3) Doomblade187, AseaHeru, D7
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)

1 Dice to Balloons: (1) Doomblade
Save Dice for Revisions: (1) SC

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (3) AseaHeru, Jerick, D7

[Aseaheru]

Saethydd:(3) Doomblade187, AseaHeru, D7
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)
DO NOT design anything: (0)

1 Dice to Balloons: (2) Doomblade, AseaHeru
DO NOT spend die on Balloons: (0)
Save Dice for Revisions: (2) SC, AseaHeru
DO NOT save die for revisions: (0)
Spend die on faster design: (0)
DO NOT spend die on faster design :(1) AseaHeru
Spend die on cheaper design: (0)
DO NOT spend die on cheaper design :(1) AseaHeru

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (3) AseaHeru, Jerick, D7

[Shadowclaw777]

Saethydd:(3) Doomblade187, AseaHeru, D7
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)
DO NOT waste Dice on Advantage Project Rolls: (5) Basically Everyone

1 Dice to Balloons: (2) Doomblade, AseaHeru
Save Da Die for Revisions: (1) AseaHeru
Save 2 Dice for Revisions: (1) SC


Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (3) AseaHeru, Jerick, D7

First off you make this unnecessary complicated and you only add values if there is someone voting for it, and second we’re not going to make any balloons since at best we’re going to have 5PP left after, are we really going to make more balloons with the rising threat of Machine guns?, “cheaper” balloons also completing the project would do is have multiples of them, and we’re not even being punished by the increased maintenance.

[Aseaheru]

 A few points on balloons for ya Shadow.
First: MGs by themselves are not a significant threat to balloons. It takes incendiaries or explosive rounds to do major damage.
Second: Balloons are able to be defended, and defended heavily by ground forces.
Third: Balloons are a cheap way to get support from ground forces(which gains us resources to use on aircraft) and saves us resourses because we wont have to use aircraft for the tasks of keeping an eye on the enemies front lines, better allowing them to do things like keep an eye on the enemies logistics, rear area troop movements, and production centers.

 As for all the options, they are required when there is a binary, non exclusive solution set. For example, spending extra dice is NOT something that can be voted down by omission. Likewise, voting for not designing something new is a viable option, and one that might be taken. So, unnecessary? No it is not. As for not continuing design work from last turn, thats basically amounting to wasting the dice already spent, ya know that, right?

Saethydd:(3) Doomblade187, AseaHeru, D7
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)
DO NOT design anything: (0)

1 Dice to continued development of Balloons: (2) Doomblade, AseaHeru
DO NOT spend die on continued development of Balloons: (1) SC
Save excess Dice for Revisions: (2) SC, AseaHeru
Spend die on faster design: (0)
DO NOT spend die on faster design :(2) AseaHeru, SC
Spend die on cheaper design: (0)
DO NOT spend die on cheaper design :(2) AseaHeru, SC
Rush existing project:(0)
DO NOT rush existing project: (1) AseaHeru
Rush new project:(0)
DO NOT rush new project: (1) AseaHeru

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (3) AseaHeru, Jerick, D7

[Doomblade187]

Saethydd:(3) Doomblade187, AseaHeru, D7
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)
DO NOT design anything: (0)

1 Dice to continued development of Balloons: (2) Doomblade, AseaHeru
DO NOT spend die on continued development of Balloons: (1) SC
Save excess Dice for Revisions: (3) SC, AseaHeru, Doomblade
Spend die on faster design: (0)
DO NOT spend die on faster design :(3) AseaHeru, SC, Doomblade
Spend die on cheaper design: (0)
DO NOT spend die on cheaper design :(3) AseaHeru, SC, Doomblade
Rush existing project:(0)
DO NOT rush existing project: (2) AseaHeru, Doomblade
Rush new project:(0)
DO NOT rush new project: (2) AseaHeru, Doomblade

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (3) AseaHeru, Jerick, D7

[Doubloon-Seven]

Saethydd:(3) Doomblade187, AseaHeru, D7
Nodwydd: (2) SC, Jerick
Clogfeini: (0)
DO NOT design anything: (0)

1 Dice to continued development of Balloons: (3) Doomblade, AseaHeru, D7
DO NOT spend die on continued development of Balloons: (1) SC
Save excess Dice for Revisions: (4) SC, AseaHeru, Doomblade, D7
Spend die on faster design: (0)
DO NOT spend die on faster design :(4) AseaHeru, SC, Doomblade, D7
Spend die on cheaper design: (0)
DO NOT spend die on cheaper design :(4) AseaHeru, SC, Doomblade, D7
Rush existing project:(0)
DO NOT rush existing project: (3) AseaHeru, Doomblade, D7
Rush new project:(0)
DO NOT rush new project: (3) AseaHeru, Doomblade, D7

Requisition: MMG, Air-Cooled, Chambered in .303/.308 : (1) ShadowClaw
Requisition: Machinegun of less than 50lb(loaded, without mount) and with ammunition capacity in excess of 40 rounds or utilizing a belt : (3) AseaHeru, Jerick, D7