Where the fuck is IcyTea?
Spending a Sunday doing things that are very important but don't allow me the time to make thoughtful posts on a forum. Incidentally, why haven't you interacted with me in a way other than asking after me? Perhaps a sudden armour-piercing question that just couldn't wait could have roused me from my busyness.
Hector13: how high are your hopes of this game seeing actual activity?
How high are your hopes of this game seeing actual activity?
Hector: You're answering a question with a deflection. Answer it for real.
You don't answer a rhetorical question with a non-rhetorical answer, do you? I'm satisfied with Hector's answer to that particular question.
What traits would even be indicative of scum? I would assume they'd be trying to be inoffensive as to draw the least attention to themselves, but then again since only investigative town roles would even know who is and isn't town(and even that potentially isn't foolproof), then it would be a town players best interest to act that way as well.
In Town of Salem, the day game is made much harder by the fact that days last only a couple minutes. Here, when days last days, you have much more time to talk with and read the others (and be read), making it very possible to make an educated guess as to who is town and who is scum. Much has been written about "scumtells", but do note that scum knows those tells as well and to avoid them; it comes down to a poker game of wondering, based on the information available to you, whether or not someone is bluffing.
Well you can’t just leave us hanging like that; what are the numbers you have that make you think the game’s over by D2 if things go poorly?
Or better yet, ignore Hector's rolefishing unless saying roleclaiming is an obvious benefit (like a cop finding scum).
Demanding more information about a vague post ("We're screwed if two town fall, for real, just trust me") is hardly a rolefish. Perhaps you know more about Kit's role than you let on if you know explaining the numbers would be a full claim?
No, if "don't lynch town" is important by his data, then lynching you is the best option.
Lynch All Liars is a perfectly valid voting strategy regardless, and any townie that lies as much as you is playing quite a self-defeating anti-town game.
So you want to blow off D1 for a policy lynch!?
I would echo Hector's statement here.
This isn’t a game in which role distribution is known. What makes you think there’s more than one buddy? How many scum do you think there are?
A game with only SKs would be fucking retarded. That's what makes most people assume there is at least a two-scum team.
Now, as for exact numbers, well...
I know little about the potential roles in this BYOR, so I am playing paranoid and saying that Town loses when it is equal to or less that the number of Evils (Not just Scum/Mafia, but lone wolves like the ToS Serial Killer). We started this round with 10 players. If two Town die, I consider the Town to have lost by my logic.
{6 town, 4 scum} or {6 town, 3 scum, 1 non-killing third party} are the only sets that both fulfill your premises and are winnable (barring crazy crapshoots) for town.
Hector13 has the numbers right! I don't know about the true neutrals, but the Evils are spot on!
Hector's numbers were 3 scum and 1 killing third party. Did he really have the numbers right? Because if he did, then A: there is a fault in your earlier logic, a possible lie; and B: this setup is unwinnable for town unless we lynch that third party today (a crazy crapshoot).
Other players, ordered most-to-least lynchable:
Nirur Torir: I'll go over this below cos it's annoying me and there are posts to complain about
KitRougard: needs to STOP EDITING HIS FUCKING POSTS and edit his signature actually do some work instead of talking about his role's starting information that he can't even post about. Hasn't posted anything of substance. Start asking questions, give some opinions.
FallacyofUrist: never mind, fuck this guy too. I'll post about him below.
webadict: gonna wifom about being a warvet in a game you're not necessarily going to post in? Don't you want to get killed if you aren't actually invested in playing? You're probably thinking to yourself 'wow doll took the bait what a twist' but I'm an investigative role and fffuck softclaiming so I'll claim tomorrow.
I spent a lot of timing deciding whether and where to put a hyphen in that 'fffuck'.
Icytea: do some more work you fucking nerd
hector13: I got asked about this cunt so I'll go over it there
Is this a smokescreen or what? Except for the...interesting...ordering of this list, there's little useful information on it. Well, except for the Day 1 claim. Why are you claiming? I don't see any benefit from it whatsoever at this point of the game.
Webadict is confident enough that he could do anything but he's busy and barely here so I'm not expecting anything crazy from him.
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Better players (IcyTea, Hector, Toma) who aren't wuba/dol-ores are probably going to play straightlaced D1
Have you been paying attention to wuba and Hector? I wouldn't exactly call their play "straightlaced".
Why don't you ask them some fucking questions instead?
Oh wait, hector is scum so you don't need to do that.
Yeah, nah, shit like this is why I don't like you. What's your read on Roseheart?
Oh wait, you don't have one? Why not ask him a question? Maybe vote so that he has to respond?
Aren't you a bit hypocritical?
That's great and all, but now that your mechanical commentary has been settled, can you engage with the game and go looking for some scum?
Wouldn't a question from your part be a fine way to start that engagement?
Incidentally, I don't re-read my posts until I've dropped them (it makes you look like scum)
Why is not looking like scum a concern to you?
he's not going to give you more under this non-existent pressure.
You're right. Years later and I'm still trying to substitute "badgering and annoying people" in as pressure instead of "asking meaningful questions" and actual analysis. Couldn't figure it out then, but maybe now I can.
Badgering is an alright method of applying pressure. You just have to have a solid argument to press first.
The only time I concoct my own voting formula is when I wind up Evil.
...Are you saying that good play is a scumtell for you?
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Truly, you have the greatest wit of any of us.
The only thing I do know is that given some time I'll know at least one person I definitely can or can't trust.
Who is that person? Engage with them more so it'll take less time for you to read them.
Answering a related question, top 3 scumpicks ..
I'd guess Failbird105 is flailing about, trying to get direction from a more experienced partner who's absent: IcyTea, Toma, or FallacyofUrist.
Hey now, you can't just say that and leave it. What are your cases on me, Toma and FoU?
Is it just me, or are hector and webadict acting the same way?
I'd read that as them not being buddies. Scum usually coordinate to use different strategies to see what works.
I'm not sure why Dolores is acting the way she does. Although I can't deny it's getting results. She's not possible to ignore when acting like that.
You've answered your own question.
if I am a detriment, then what are all those people who don't think I'm a detriment?
That's an unorthodox gambit you're playing. What's your strategy to prove yourself as town when it fails?
Is it stupid to martyr for the cause? For my beliefs?
Yes.
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Hi. You may proceed at your leisure.
Tomasque: who is the highest threat to you right now?
Kit. Although I'm seeing suspicious actions in a lot of people, his actions have made me think that he's the most likely to be scum. The explanation is at the bottom of this post.
Does this mean you believe scum is the greatest threat to you, even inexperienced scum such as Kit?
First impressions (too early to call them proper "reads", subject to change as always):
- FallacyofUrist: Slight scum. Insufficient data, but what little there is points towards anti-town.
- hector13: Slight town. Sneaky, trying and failing to refuge in audacity.
- Failbird105: Neutral. Seems to honestly have no idea how to play the day game.
- roseheart: Null. Insufficient data.
- Nirur Torir: Town. Misguided scumhunting, but scumhunting nonetheless.
- KitRougard: Third party. Story about "numbers" doesn't add up. Said story being started before gamestart is a little townish, but both gut and logic don't like it.
- Dolores: Town. Active scumhunting with a couple very questionable plays. Trying to be a town leader.
- Tomasque: Slight scum. Insufficient data, but playing a quick defense and then jumping to a vote right after appearing late is suspicious.
- webadict: Slight town. Sneaky, trying and succeeding to refuge in audacity. Somehow.
Unanswered RVS questions:
By doing nothing. I probably won't even post a whole lot. I really just wanted the game to start. My objective is completed.
How does this strategy prevent this game from dying down before anyone wins?
Well first up that's pretty vague, but secondly I assume it's because you want to get specific information.
If I wanted specific information, wouldn't I ask a more specific question?
FallacyofUrist: Why are you voting for webadict based on others' observations over grilling him to build your own conclusions?
Hector13: The "scummy townie" gambit isn't working for you as well as it could. I recommend switching to a more orthodox strategy.
Failbird105: Browse
this wiki. Come up with a strategy and get your day game on.
Roseheart: You like to analyze forum games. Why, in your opinion, is (or isn't) a more talkative player more likely to be town?
Nirur Torir: Let's assume Hector is scum. Who is/are his scumbuddy/scumbuddies?
KitRougard: Are the exact numbers {6 town, 3 scum, 1 non-killing third-party}? If yes, I recommend claiming your alignment before you dig yourself deeper.
Dolores: You promised a more coherent version of
this post. You may proceed.
Tomasque: I'd say parroted votes actually point towards Nirur and Kit not being buddies; Nirur would be smart enough to tell Kit to not follow his votes if that were the case. Does a wuba/Nirur/Kit scumteam really seem as likely to you as it would appear from your post?
Webadict: Keep doing what you're doing. I have no idea how, but it's working.