It's like, we want to play a match of football. But our team doesn't have enough players to play. So I make a big scene and this guy I know who I saw wandering around the area agrees to join the team so we can play. He's there for something else and not really interested, and half the players on our team are just standing around doing nothing anyway.
Let's go further with this analogy: why can't we play if our team doesn't have enough players? Because it won't be fun or interesting or worth the effort. If your guy agrees to play, then it is very reasonable to assume that they're going to put in effort. Keeping that good faith in mind, and knowing that your guy is a good player, is it wrong to expect them to be actually performing some sort of misdirection play when he appears useless? Meanwhile, those others just standing around would, again in good faith, put in all their effort if they only just knew how.
You're asking whose fault it is that the subforum is dying, but you're the one throwing around "X is out, or I'm out" ultimatums.
If it's come to the point where we no longer want to play, why do so? Let it die if it is to die, then.
IcyTea and Tom: I would especially like your opinions on my case against Hector, given his weird reads on you (and not commenting on them):
In short: Hector has a weak case on me, didn't respond to me calling it weak, and has me as his top scum pick. His second, and only other pick is a lurker who he claims to always read as scummy.
He refused to investigate anyone else, list other potential scum candidates, or expand on his case on me, and, when pressed, said he's done with me.
Despite me being his only real scum pick, he doesn't seem interested in actually trying to get me lynched.
He's purposefully trying to appear scummy. Could be town to convince scum not to nightkill him, could be a double bluff to make it look like that's what he's doing to stay safe as scum.
IcyTea - town lean. Engaging with things, asking people things. Bemused why he thinks my refuge is not as good as webadict’s refuge. Reads list doesn’t quite gel with mine, can’t complain about that I guess.
Two posts are not enough to really say someone's being engaging.
Comment on this in particular: did you miss my 2000-word post? If spending literally hours after an absence to catch up on everything I could isn't engaging, I don't know what is.
If town!IcyTea thought webadict was a dumb troll, he'd get mad for sure, but he'd want him modkilled, not killed within the parameters of the game.
And I do, but sadly horrible sportsmanship isn't a modkillable offense, especially since it really could have been played as a gambit. At least it means I can be petty as well if I want.
I think that we should lynch kit. He's been silent for a while, and in the last post he made, he accused me of calling him scum & submerging. His original behavior with Nirur seemed a suspicious to me and worthy of pressing him about it, but the fact that he voted me back right after and then went silent has convinced me that he is scum.
I still think Kit as third-party, probably non-killing unless they're completely lying and it's actually {7 town, 2 scum, 1 SK}. Lynching 'em is in the "can wait" folder for me.
So let's start on only the end. You are steeped in hypocrisy. You are voting me because I'm not trying (using selectively taken information to back up your vote), while simultaneously choosing to sit out during the game (and doing basically what I've done.) Did you just give up and not try your hardest?
Weird. See, while I never promised to do that, you did! And now I'm holding you to that standard.
I see no reason to hold to the social contract that you already broke.
The sad part is if you think that sort of gambit would work, it doesn't. Ultimatums are stupid for multiple reasons. Plus, the transition was too fast for it to be believable.
You think I'm playing a gambit? That I still care about the game? That I don't actually think you're a horrible human being?
The second issue is that if the attempt was to anger me even more, it didn't work.
You think I care if you're angry?
Not because you're being incredibly and purposefully selective in your evidence
Evidence? What evidence?
I really don't think you contribute significantly enough to the town to warrant the attitude.
At least I've tried. In vain, apparently.
You're not dolores or hector13. They have the real power. Nirur would if they weren't making a dumb case on hector13. You have... nothing.
"Real power"? On Day 1? I've gathered plenty of data to prepare for a long game, to actually
win around Day 3 or 4. A shame to throw it all away.
Third, you look worse than I do. In fact, I probably look better now in spite of your protest. It was a stupid gambit. Because now, when I do some actual posting on Wednesday (which, since you are selectively holding memories anyway, is the day I have some time), it STILL won't have been because of you. Dolores pretty much gets full credit, so you'll have to pick yourself up.
And now you actually want to play the game? Fuck you.
IcyTea probably isn't Town. Too much broad play
You've seen my Day 1's before. For me, a narrow play on Day 1 is just bashing my head against a wall and just as enjoyable.
thought that webadict was doing better despite me actually generating content.
A number of players believe you're scum and not just scummy. If you're town, that's a failure on your part. You believe webadict is just a dick who needs no further questioning. That's a success.
Didn't noticed dolores was dropping things for other people to pick up,
I noticed plenty of things.
appeared to be reading dolores negatively based on dolores view on playing
As I've noted, that wasn't an earnest attempt at a case.
IcyTea: d'ya think maybe you can vote for someone else?
If you had to choose who to take into D2 out of Kit, FoU, and roseheart, who would it be?
Whoever replaces me can vote for whoever they want.
As if someone came to replace me. Either way, I'm done here. Here's a pair of questions for y'all to consider: how much time did I spend writing this post, including time spent reading the thread? How much free time do I have in a day?
I'm not going to put in the time and effort to play with people who don't actually want to play the game.
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