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[GPeter]

Has anyone made any science on holdings? How to define "prosperous"? Am I simply supposed to make wealth and that will attract new holdings? Or is it more complex?

[WJLIII3]

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[Tinnucorch]

I was wondering myself if the site cap is suposed to prevent new site foundings. Ten years in my last fort (and over 5 million of created wealth) and none has appeared, but site cap was reached on worldgen so I guess it's because it's a "hard" cap. I would appreciate confirmation, though.

[Saiko Kila]

My site cap was also reached in worldgen (don't they do that always..?) but I'm getting new hillocks every other month or so.

[GPeter]

My site cap was also reached in worldgen (don't they do that always..?) but I'm getting new hillocks every other month or so.

Perhaps some random site got destroyed or something?

[FantasticDorf]

It needs to be in civilization friendly biome supported terrain, so dwarves will only settle near mountains, grasslands & hills, anything further than that will be uninteresting to a rough range of 6 tiles (a day's distance) around you.

Switch into another civ and the rules for settling would be relevantly different.

Also Toady confirmed to the forums that the amount of holdings is the new requirement for land holder nobles entirely, with a default of one once you get a baron or if you force it by conquering places unnaturally gaining some more egibility, whether you need to actually wait for a baron to appear before more do (given that i upgraded to metropolis before now with only 1 naturally occuring hillock and a baron even though the monarch moved in) that land holder titles also affect the rate of new settlers so once that's in place things with high value should start to speed up after the initial slog.

[Tinnucorch]

My site cap was also reached in worldgen (don't they do that always..?) but I'm getting new hillocks every other month or so.

I think it's dependent on how low you set the cap at worldgen and on how long do you let it run.

If hillocks spawning is not affected by the maximum number of sites setting I don't understand why I'm not getting any, there is available land near my fort (grasslands, hills, and mountains at a day's travel or less).

I've also noticed something weird when I accepted the barony. The barony it's not actually my fort, but my only economically linked site (a half my population dwarven hillock of my own civ just half a day travel). Does anyone has also seen this? It's supposed to be normal? Could be that the reason why I'm not getting any new hillock?

[Loci]

Has anyone made any science on holdings? How to define "prosperous"? Am I simply supposed to make wealth and that will attract new holdings? Or is it more complex?

Alright, I PM'd Toady about the landed nobility site triggers. It is no longer based on the raw requirements. It's exclusively based on the number of your offsite holdings.

Yeah, the nobility status is entirely based on the number of off-site holdings now.  Currently 1, 4, 9 (and 9+n*2 for modded higher ranks).  The land holder trigger numbers now influence the rate at which your civilization will send out settlers to found new sites near your fortress.  If you fortress is inaccessible or your civ's population is really low, they won't be able to do it.

The "land holder trigger numbers" are probably the old conditions for noble appointment based on population, created wealth, and exported wealth. Even if you meet those requirements, Toady mentioned two conditions that will prevent founding new holdings.

[Descan]

I've also noticed something weird when I accepted the barony. The barony it's not actually my fort, but my only economically linked site (a half my population dwarven hillock of my own civ just half a day travel). Does anyone has also seen this? It's supposed to be normal? Could be that the reason why I'm not getting any new hillock?

Have you SCIENCED conquering the barony?

[Saiko Kila]

My site cap was also reached in worldgen (don't they do that always..?) but I'm getting new hillocks every other month or so.

I think it's dependent on how low you set the cap at worldgen and on how long do you let it run.

Probably possible in advanced settings, I've used standard settings though (the cap was 1040), which seems to fill the quota even in relatively short history. I can imagine the cap not being reached in worldgen, but in most standard settings it would be, so it can can't be preventing hillocks.

Also, regarding destroyed sites, they still exist, just are not quite active. I suppose the cap is meant only for worldgen. Anyway, in less than a year, I've got six hillocks, and my wealth is about 8.8 million.

If hillocks spawning is not affected by the maximum number of sites setting I don't understand why I'm not getting any, there is available land near my fort (grasslands, hills, and mountains at a day's travel or less).

I've also noticed something weird when I accepted the barony. The barony it's not actually my fort, but my only economically linked site (a half my population dwarven hillock of my own civ just half a day travel). Does anyone has also seen this? It's supposed to be normal? Could be that the reason why I'm not getting any new hillock?

But where is the baron? Maybe the guy you accepted was sent to the hillocks in time between accepting and establishing, and this messed things up?

[Tinnucorch]

Have you SCIENCED conquering the barony?

Can't do that. I have the option to request workers instead. Also, you can't raid your own civ settlements, as I've just discovered.

But where is the baron? Maybe the guy you accepted was sent to the hillocks in time between accepting and establishing, and this messed things up?

I think I only sent one dwarf to that place for getting rid of him, and definetely not my baronnes. Both she and her consort are located in my fortress.

[Saiko Kila]

But where is the baron? Maybe the guy you accepted was sent to the hillocks in time between accepting and establishing, and this messed things up?

I think I only sent one dwarf to that place for getting rid of him, and definetely not my baronnes. Both she and her consort are located in my fortress.

You sure you (i.e. your fortress)  are a barony? Because it often happens that your dwarves become barons of other places. I have never seen a situation when the baron (from the "n" screen) would be landed elsewhere than in the main fortress.

[Tinnucorch]

You sure you (i.e. your fortress)  are a barony? Because it often happens that your dwarves become barons of other places. I have never seen a situation when the baron (from the "n" screen) would be landed elsewhere than in the main fortress.

Yes. I've had other places barons being elevetad from my citizens as result of inherintances, but I get rid of them. The one I'm talking about was the result of accepting the outpost liason offer.