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Total Members Voted: 20

[Doomblade187]

Waaaaiiit, so how does the credit work?

[Man of Paper]

You get the design credit to use next phase for creating the small support weapon this phase. The research credit, which gives two rolls and goes with the highest, can be used on either design this phase. You have two designs to work on this phase, just like last turn. The parameters and reward system is just altered slightly

[Doomblade187]

Generic Design:
Caelium Gravitational Generator: (1) Jerick
-ARA Model-1912S: (1) Doubloon
ARAF Model-1912O "Peeper" Artillery Observation Platform: (1) Kashyyk
ARA 1912ARM "Paladin" Superheavy armour (2): Frostgiant, Doomblade
-Use Research Credit: (1) Doomblade
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Small Support Weapon:
Iron Rain Mortar:
-ARA 1912ART "Iron Rain": (2) Doubloon, Kashyyk
ARA 1912MG "Scythe" Heavy Machinegun: (2) Frostgiant, Doomblade

[frostgiant]

Generic Design:
Caelium Gravitational Generator: (1) Jerick
-ARA Model-1912S: (1) Doubloon
ARAF Model-1912O "Peeper" Artillery Observation Platform: (1) Kashyyk
ARA 1912ARM "Paladin" Superheavy armour (2): Frostgiant, Doomblade
-Use Research Credit: (2) Doomblade, Frostgiant
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Small Support Weapon:
Iron Rain Mortar:
-ARA 1912ART "Iron Rain": (2) Doubloon, Kashyyk
ARA 1912MG "Scythe" Heavy Machinegun: (2) Frostgiant, Doomblade

[Jerick]

Generic Design:
Caelium Gravitational Generator:
-ARA Model-1912S: (2) Doubloon, Jerick
-Use Research Credit (1) Jerick
ARAF Model-1912O "Peeper" Artillery Observation Platform: (1) Kashyyk
ARA 1912ARM "Paladin" Superheavy armour (2): Frostgiant, Doomblade
-Use Research Credit: (2) Doomblade, Frostgiant
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Small Support Weapon:
Iron Rain Mortar:
-ARA 1912ART "Iron Rain": (2) Doubloon, Kashyyk
ARA 1912MG "Scythe" Heavy Machinegun: (3) Frostgiant, Doomblade, Jerick

[Tyrant Leviathan]

Generic Design:
Caelium Gravitational Generator:
-ARA Model-1912S: (2) Doubloon, Jerick
-Use Research Credit (1) Jerick
[url=http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171506.msg7819303#msg7819303]ARAF Model-1912O "Peeper" Artillery Observation Platform: (1) Kashyyk
ARA 1912ARM "Paladin" Superheavy armour (3): Frostgiant, Tyrant Leviathan, , Doomblade
-Use Research Credit: (3) Tyrant Leviathan, Doomblade, Frostgiant
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Small Support Weapon:
Iron Rain Mortar:
-ARA 1912ART "Iron Rain": (3) Tyrant Leviathan, Doubloon, Kashyyk
ARA 1912MG "Scythe" Heavy Machinegun: (3) Frostgiant, Doomblade, Jerick

[Doubloon-Seven]

Generic Design:
Caelium Gravitational Generator:
-ARA Model-1912S: (2) Doubloon, Jerick
-Use Research Credit (2) Jerick, Doubloon
[url=http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=171506.msg7819566#msg7819566] ARAF Model-1912O "Peeper" Artillery Observation Platform: (1) Kashyyk
ARA 1912ARM "Paladin" Superheavy armour (2): Frostgiant, Doomblade
-Use Research Credit: (3) Tyrant Leviathan, Doomblade, Frostgiant
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Small Support Weapon:
Iron Rain Mortar:
-ARA 1912ART "Iron Rain": (3) Tyrant Leviathan, Doubloon, Kashyyk
ARA 1912MG "Scythe" Heavy Machinegun: (3) Frostgiant, Doomblade, Jerick

[Man of Paper]

Generic Design:
Caelium Gravitational Generator:
-ARA Model-1912S: (2) Doubloon, Jerick
-Use Research Credit (2) Jerick, Doubloon
ARAF Model-1912O "Peeper" Artillery Observation Platform: (1) Kashyyk
ARA 1912ARM "Paladin" Superheavy armour (2): Frostgiant, Doomblade
-Use Research Credit: (3) Tyrant Leviathan, Doomblade, Frostgiant
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Small Support Weapon:
Iron Rain Mortar:
-ARA 1912ART "Iron Rain": (3) Tyrant Leviathan, Doubloon, Kashyyk
ARA 1912MG "Scythe" Heavy Machinegun: (3) Frostgiant, Doomblade, Jerick

Okay I think I fixed it for all our sanity.

[frostgiant]

Hmm, I have nothing to really say on the main vote that wouldn't be reiterating things that i've already said.
So I think I'll put up a couple possible revisions.

How should we make the draco lighter, I am having some difficulty with this (and don't say caelium, that means it need batterys and a whole list of other things) My first thought is to make the stock smaller, but I worry that doing that could make the Warpick break more often and not have enough oomph, and the warpick was mentioned as being useful.
My second thought is to shorten the draco, making it smaller, more maneuverable and lighter at the cost of Some effective distance and some shell capacity (shorten it down and put the shells at 3 loaded and 1 in the chamber) this should make it lighter and easier to use, but I'm not certain... make it a variant maybe? Definitely need to fix the loading though

The other revision I'm thinking of is incendiary shells for everything. Incendiary round for the gorgon, for the draco(and wyvern it that how we fix the problem) Incendiary for The MG or mortar and if we can manage Incendiary for the rifle(but its all right if we can't, it can already fire wickerman.)

[Tyrant Leviathan]

Yeah the shotgun have to work on the barrel. If messing with stock or war pick, it loses value.

[Jerick]

My rationale for my votes; The generator.
My preference of the generator over the peeper and the paladin armour is an issue of timing rather than anything else. If we're doing something drastic with our resource a low role can change the rules of how the resource operates in a way that likely makes the project difficult or impossible (depending on the gm). It is not necessarily something that can be revised up to intended functionality if we roll low on it. The research credit is perfect for it. While the paladin armour is a nice step towards full on power armour our reliance on caelium means even if we don't go with my design we will need some answer to the power demands of the substance. A power generator, especially a good one, could effect almost every single design we do from here on out. How much better would the paladin armour be if had a miniaturised power source instead of batteries? It is something we would likely wind up putting in every tank, truck, aircraft and airship we create. And if we do that then we can ignore oil as a resource altogether. But that only works if we roll well on this ambitious project which means we really need the research credit for it to work which in turns means it must be done this turn.

The Sycthe
My rationale for voting for the sycthe is simple. While a squad portable indirect fire weapon would be nice, we already have something similar enough that our need for a mortar is not that pressing (though it would be nice). However we do not have any true area denial weapons currently, we need something to occupy that niche and so I view the need for a heavy machine gun as more pressing than the need for a mortar.

[Doubloon-Seven]

Generic Design:
Caelium Gravitational Generator:
-ARA Model-1912S: (2) Doubloon, Jerick
-Use Research Credit (2) Jerick, Doubloon
ARAF Model-1912O "Peeper" Artillery Observation Platform: (1) Kashyyk
ARA 1912ARM "Paladin" Superheavy armour (2): Frostgiant, Doomblade
-Use Research Credit: (3) Tyrant Leviathan, Doomblade, Frostgiant
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Small Support Weapon:
Iron Rain Mortar:
-ARA 1912ART "Iron Rain": (2) Tyrant Leviathan, Kashyyk
ARA 1912MG "Scythe" Heavy Machinegun: (4) Frostgiant, Doomblade, Jerick, DoubloonSeven

Quality arguments.

[Kashyyk]

Hmm... I wanted to do the Peeper as a safe Caelium design, but I don't want to use the credit on it. As we can't save it I'll go for the Paladin instead. Maybe use the Small Support Credit on the Peeper next phase.

Generic Design:
Caelium Gravitational Generator:
-ARA Model-1912S: (2) Doubloon, Jerick
-Use Research Credit (2) Jerick, Doubloon
ARAF Model-1912O "Peeper" Artillery Observation Platform: ()
ARA 1912ARM "Paladin" Superheavy armour (3): Frostgiant, Doomblade, Kashyyk
-Use Research Credit: (4) Tyrant Leviathan, Doomblade, Frostgiant, Kashyyk
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Small Support Weapon:
Iron Rain Mortar:
-ARA 1912ART "Iron Rain": (2) Tyrant Leviathan, Kashyyk
ARA 1912MG "Scythe" Heavy Machinegun: (3) Frostgiant, Doomblade, Jerick, Doubloon

[frostgiant]

I just came up with the supid idea ever while I was heading to the store and contelplating how to move a hover APC because a propeller wouldn't work, I need to you to tell me on a scale of 10 to "Fucking stupid" that this idea is.

So when two opposite magnets are pushed togethr, the one that has an outside force acting on it wins right (IE and hand pushing a magnet towards its opposite)
So what if we took a Chamber, lined it with magnets wthat have a opposite alignment to the magnet inside, holding the center magnet in the middle, hovering without really fighting agaist the other maginets.
Now typpically if you pulled that centre magnet forward with say, a non magnetic metal rod welded to it, or a pice of string. The outside magnets would not move, they have more weight and more outside force from being mounted on the floor or whatever. Caelium removes the weight from an object, so Wouldn't the centre magnet being pulled forward have more force behind it, so the outer magnets and what is now weightlessly attached to them by cealium would move the opposite direction.

Would... would that work? It feel so stupid that I feel like that should not work. fuelless engines can't be that simply when we take away weight.

[Doubloon-Seven]

WE CAN TRY.

Woohoo, phlebotinum!