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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1050 on: February 07, 2019, 11:22:28 am »

AAV-15 'Apibaru' (Pattern B):
These "Forenians" certainly have some interesting ideas. The Salamander is a revolutionary vehicle- fast, heavily armoured, and amphibious, it has the potential to change the face of war forever.
...is what I would have said, before the Abberans rolled out their own fast, heavily armoured vehicle. At least theirs isn't amphibious- but the face of war has still already been changed, making the Salamander a much less revolutionary concept.
Anyway.
Unfortunately, we cannot create an exact replica- Forenia is simply too far ahead of us in multiple fields. However, we can substitute many components with our own technology... and make some concessions to the existence of the Abberan's Gendarme.
First, we shall replace the engine with a GavEngine of equivalent output- not a problem, thanks to the Forenian's bizarre adherence to internal combustion. The transmission and gearing and suchlike will be simplified slightly, at the expense of somewhat lowering the top speed (whilst still leaving the Kerata in the dust, obviously). The metallurgy used to create the armour is of a higher standard than we possess, but fortunately Caelium Steel is a decent substitute- we can (and will) even make it slightly thicker, given its lower weight. Structural components will be regular steel.
The turret... is not possessed of enough firepower to seriously threaten the Gendarme, which is where our most radical modification comes in. The 'Velociraptor' autocannon will be replaced by a 40mm LFG-13, modified to fit the turret. Even though the LFG is made of Caelium Steel, and we won't need the heavy carriage, it will still weigh more than the Velociraptor it replaces, so some modification may be necessary to balance things out- although we understand that the Forenians have successfully made variants of the Salamander with heavier weapons, so it should be doable. The coaxial machine gun will be replaced with an LGG.

Apibaru with added LFG, and no other changes. Consider that the Gendarme was Very Hard- and that was more or less a straight-up adaptation of an older design. The Apibaru without an LFG would be Very Hard (the simplified transmission reducing it to the equivalent of the Gendarme). I expect this to be one step harder. But we do have the research credit, and a revision if necessary, and we kinda need a 'tank' if we want to contest theirs on the open field.
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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1051 on: February 07, 2019, 11:55:24 am »

Right and you also have a +1 you can apply to a design before you roll thanks to a flub on my end. Lemme throw that in the credits spoiler real quick now that I remember.
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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1052 on: February 07, 2019, 04:12:11 pm »

Apibaru with added LFG, and no other changes. Consider that the Gendarme was Very Hard- and that was more or less a straight-up adaptation of an older design. The Apibaru without an LFG would be Very Hard (the simplified transmission reducing it to the equivalent of the Gendarme). I expect this to be one step harder. But we do have the research credit, and a revision if necessary, and we kinda need a 'tank' if we want to contest theirs on the open field.

The Gendarme also included a whole new motive system which the Abberans had no knowledge of building prior to building the tank, and it's definitely the most heavily armoured thing they've built during the war. We've got a lot more experience in building a shitload of armour now thanks to the Charybdis, and the Salamander crucially only uses wheels, so there's a definite level of simplicity to the design here.
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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1053 on: February 07, 2019, 04:25:53 pm »

Well, barring some surprise design, I think it's pretty clear what we're going for?

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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1054 on: February 07, 2019, 10:49:52 pm »

Revision, perhaps?

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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1055 on: February 08, 2019, 12:11:54 am »

We're going to need a bigger round to more effectively punch through their K-wool armour.
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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1056 on: February 08, 2019, 10:02:57 am »

The G/LGG will work fine as they are, and the SGG will work fine as well provided it's utilizing FMJ/G rounds.
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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1057 on: February 08, 2019, 01:10:06 pm »

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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1058 on: February 08, 2019, 01:19:03 pm »

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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1059 on: February 08, 2019, 01:47:31 pm »

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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1060 on: February 08, 2019, 05:53:59 pm »

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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1061 on: February 08, 2019, 06:51:06 pm »

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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1062 on: February 08, 2019, 06:56:56 pm »

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Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Revision Phase)
« Reply #1063 on: February 10, 2019, 07:10:26 pm »

Year 1915 A.C. Cold Season, Design Phase


Proposal: AAV-15 'Apibaru' (Pattern B)
AAV-15 'Apibaru' (Pattern B):
These "Forenians" certainly have some interesting ideas. The Salamander is a revolutionary vehicle- fast, heavily armoured, and amphibious, it has the potential to change the face of war forever.
...is what I would have said, before the Abberans rolled out their own fast, heavily armoured vehicle. At least theirs isn't amphibious- but the face of war has still already been changed, making the Salamander a much less revolutionary concept.
Anyway.
Unfortunately, we cannot create an exact replica- Forenia is simply too far ahead of us in multiple fields. However, we can substitute many components with our own technology... and make some concessions to the existence of the Abberan's Gendarme.
First, we shall replace the engine with a GavEngine of equivalent output- not a problem, thanks to the Forenian's bizarre adherence to internal combustion. The transmission and gearing and suchlike will be simplified slightly, at the expense of somewhat lowering the top speed (whilst still leaving the Kerata in the dust, obviously). The metallurgy used to create the armour is of a higher standard than we possess, but fortunately Caelium Steel is a decent substitute- we can (and will) even make it slightly thicker, given its lower weight. Structural components will be regular steel.
The turret... is not possessed of enough firepower to seriously threaten the Gendarme, which is where our most radical modification comes in. The 'Velociraptor' autocannon will be replaced by a 40mm LFG-13, modified to fit the turret. Even though the LFG is made of Caelium Steel, and we won't need the heavy carriage, it will still weigh more than the Velociraptor it replaces, so some modification may be necessary to balance things out- although we understand that the Forenians have successfully made variants of the Salamander with heavier weapons, so it should be doable. The coaxial machine gun will be replaced with an LGG.


Difficulty: Very Hard
Result: 6 (5+2+1-2) 7 (6+2+1-2) = Average

Our conversion of this foreign Salamander went...surprisingly well considering our history with ground vehicles. We've managed to duplicate the shape and size of the original (or we're pretty sure, without an actual physical copy for comparison), including the interesting decision to use a "hexagonal cross-section" and sloped armor. Thanks to our access to Caelium Steel the armor is 35mm thick without severely impacting performance. The primitive combustion engine was swapped out for one of our GavEngines, and an LGG-12 slotted in place of the coaxial gun. Most notably, the autocannon is replaced by an open-top turret mounting an LFG-13 modified for the purpose [GM NOTE: Think something in the style of the German's Wirbelwind turret]. As a result of the additional burden and some willing sacrifices to certain mechanisms involved with the four pairs of wheels, an Apibaru can get to 60kph on land and, thanks to a pair of basic propellers, 8 knots or around 15kph in calm waters.

The LFG-13 and ammo storage cut into the actual transport space, knocking the original's troop transport capacity down slightly to ten passengers and four crew.

The Apibaru costs 7 Ore, 4 Gavrillium, and 5 Caelium, making it (VERY EXPENSIVE).


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With the Perahudara in the air and the Apibaru on land and sea we expect to make gains in the coming season. We aren't finished however, as you still have the opportunity to make changes this Revision Phase. Using this Revision to build upon our Amphibious Invasion capabilities will net a Research Credit for it as the Design did.

IT IS NOW THE REVISION PHASE!




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Re: Industrialized Warfare: Salvios Thread / 1915 A.C. Cold Season (Design Phase)
« Reply #1064 on: February 11, 2019, 11:24:30 am »

I think that either one of these would now get us the research credit since we'll be directly landing Avalanches for maximum effectiveness. I'd love to do the SGG because I think it'd be hilarious to have rotary SMGs again, but the updated GGG/LGG would definitely work better though it'd also definitely class as a "heavy weapon" and reduce Salamander troop capacities somewhat.

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GGG-15/LGG-15
That's right, we've finally made a gun for people in power armor. And what a gun it is, it's brand new, it's---wait no, sorry. The GGG-15 and LGG-15 are the same as their respective counterparts, except with identical modifications (hence why we applied them to both guns). A hand grip is added to the top of the action [this should look basically like a Halo MG being carried by a Spartan, because of course we want it to] since the spinning barrels are probably not a good place to grab, a box is made to hold 300-round belts and hung under the weapon, and a trigger is added so that the gun can be fired by an Avalanche carrying it. It has a large steel stake on the bottom so that an Avalanche soldier can drive it into the ground for accurate fire when necessary. This allows Avalanche-armored soldiers access to MG support without needing vulnerable, unarmored infantry to wheel up MGs on gun carriages and expose themselves to fire...i.e. during an amphibious assault.

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The Sub-Gatling Gun is an electrically-powered variant of the SMG-12 run off of an Avalanche's power source (it's a small motor, after all), with an absolutely huge 100-round magazine and all the reliability fixes of the SMG-12a. Oh, and the sights. We're told those are important, though trials suggest that enough bullets downrange will eventually hit any target and so we're a little doubtful on the necessity of the sights. Anyway, it gives people in power armor a way to shoot everything full of so many holes that it stops functioning, and to do so in true rotary-weapon style. This gives Avalanche soldiers a much-needed boost in sustained firepower and allows them to be independent of unarmored infantry during assaults, without losing access to all available heavier weapons.
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