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Total Members Voted: 14

[Rockeater]

Revisions (3 Credits)
Senapang Pattern Rifle (Sniper Variant) (2): Twinwolf, Taricus
Retracting Roofs (2): Twinwolf, Taricus
ArC-13c 'Turtle' (0):
Pembawa Troop Carrier (0):
ArC-13c "Kerata" Armored Car (2): Twinwolf, Taricus

Espionage
Peek (-1 to us, -3 to Abbera) (2): Maximum Spin, Taricus
Light Observation (-1 to Abbera) (0):
Moderate Observation (+1 to us) (1): Twinwolf, Rockeater

[Madman198237]

HFG-13 Heavy Field Gun
Based on the Scylla defensive weapon, the HFG-13 is basically just a GBC-13 refitted for use in the field, with the cooling system refitted to run off of the generator on the vehicle moving the gun and a gun shield (only used when the gun is not in an Armored Sled). The gun can be moved on an Armored Sled or unarmored Caelium Sled. Any further time is spent finishing the original design's Gavrillium incendiary rounds for area denial and any other time you need a weapon best described as a war crime regardless of the presence or otherwise of treaties defining such crimes.

If at first you don't succeed, move the artillery to the front and set everything on fire. Twice. Just to be sure. After all, nothing says "this area's clear, we can move up now" like the smell of napalm in the morning Gavrillium incendiaries sometime in the mid-afternoon.

Sometime here we should revise a star shell equivalent, or maybe invest a design in flares, star shell, and other night-viewing aids. The ability to reposition or even attack as necessary during night time can be a huge benefit.

Revisions (3 Credits)
Senapang Pattern Rifle (Sniper Variant) (2): Twinwolf, Taricus
Retracting Roofs (3): Twinwolf, Taricus, Madman
ArC-13c 'Turtle' (0):
Pembawa Troop Carrier (0):
ArC-13c "Kerata" Armored Car (3): Twinwolf, Taricus, Madman
FAC-13 (1): Madman

Espionage
Peek (-1 to us, -3 to Abbera) (3): Maximum Spin, Taricus, Madman
Light Observation (-1 to Abbera) (0):
Moderate Observation (+1 to us) (2): Twinwolf, Rockeater

[Twinwolf]

So MoP mentioned on discord a couple things - one that he's going to have a lot of time from now to Thursday so if we hurry up we might see updates quicker (hopefully :p), and two that next turn there's going to be a "couple important decisions" to make, one of which is going to be figuring out a design we want to ship to our allies.

I think we need to consider whether we send them something that uses our special resources or not. If we don't that's basically just the SMG or the Senapang, maybe a revised Kerata. If we do then we have a lot of options, but something to consider is that they won't have our special resources like Gavrillium and Caelium, although they might have chemical compounds and we can probably teach them to make myomers.

[NUKE9.13]

Revisions (3 Credits)
Senapang Pattern Rifle (Sniper Variant) (3): Twinwolf, Taricus, NUKE9.13
Retracting Roofs (4): Twinwolf, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
ArC-13c 'Turtle' (0):
Pembawa Troop Carrier (0):
ArC-13c "Kerata" Armored Car (3): Twinwolf, Taricus, Madman
HFG-13 (2): Madman, NUKE9.13

Espionage
Peek (-1 to us, -3 to Abbera) (4): Maximum Spin, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
Light Observation (-1 to Abbera) (0):
Moderate Observation (+1 to us) (2): Twinwolf, Rockeater

So. Sniper rifles will be useful in many situations. Giving the sleds roofs makes sense. The Kerata... I'm not sure is worth salvaging, honestly. A mobile field gun will round out our artillery somewhat (although we may want to develop a lighter piece (75, maybe even 50mm) in the future, depending on how things go.
Espionage-wise, the Peek option has the biggest discrepancy between our result and their result (2, as opposed to 1 for the other options). That, and I have the vague hope that the lifting suit, being used mainly behind the front lines, and not a large, obvious piece of kit, might avoid detection on a sufficiently low roll.

[Twinwolf]

For the Kerata: Yeah, honestly I don't think it's worth salvaging. If anything we should build something based on the Armored Sled (I'd vote for the Pembawa, but I think it's straying towards Design a bit too much to use a revision on) or something new.

As for the espionage credit: My logic is sort of, we don't have much we need to hide, while they have fancy stuff that's likely particularly vulnerable to surveillance considering how they've emphasized size. We get a lot more out of a good roll than they do, and most of our stuff is ubiquitous enough that a low roll will see it anyway - they're going to see how all our vehicles and most of our guns glow blue, they're gonna see people lifting things they have no right to be able to carry, they're gonna see floating supply sleds, unless they roll *really* low. I also suspect that, if they've done well on their aircraft, they'll have an option that gives them a big bonus and also gives us one. That said... I could also see them going for peeking in order to hide their stuff.

Revisions (3 Credits)
Senapang Pattern Rifle (Sniper Variant) (3): Twinwolf, Taricus, NUKE9.13
Retracting Roofs (4): Twinwolf, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
ArC-13c 'Turtle' (0):
Pembawa Troop Carrier (0):
ArC-13c "Kerata" Armored Car (2): Taricus, Madman
HFG-13 (3): Madman, NUKE9.13, Twinwolf

Espionage
Peek (-1 to us, -3 to Abbera) (4): Maximum Spin, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
Light Observation (-1 to Abbera) (0):
Moderate Observation (+1 to us) (2): Twinwolf, Rockeater

[Baffler]

Revisions (3 Credits)
Senapang Pattern Rifle (Sniper Variant) (4): Twinwolf, Taricus, NUKE9.13, Baffler
Retracting Roofs (4): Twinwolf, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
ArC-13c 'Turtle' (0):
Pembawa Troop Carrier (0):
ArC-13c "Kerata" Armored Car (3): Taricus, Madman, Baffler
HFG-13 (4): Madman, NUKE9.13, Twinwolf, Baffler

Espionage
Peek (-1 to us, -3 to Abbera) (4): Maximum Spin, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
Light Observation (-1 to Abbera) (0):
Moderate Observation (+1 to us) (3): Twinwolf, Rockeater, Baffler

On espionage I figure who dares, wins. We don't really gain much from just peeking, even on a successful roll, and the same is true for them too.

[Madman198237]

The Kerata is worth salvaging because it should be simple to fix...sort of, anyway. Regardless, using a revision to, if nothing else, gain some experience in armored car-making is still worthwhile at this point.

Actually, NUKE, 40mm or even like 30-35mm field guns were used in WWI and as AT guns in early WWII, so we might as well start down closer to 40mm. Much easier to move and much lower-lying than a 50mm or 75mm, still effective at getting hostiles out of buildings or armored cars or what-have-you.

[Taricus]

As I see it, the HFG isn't that useful as our artillery cannons can depress their barrels low enough to serve somewhat well in a field gun role. And fixing the Kerata is a vital step since we... well, kinda need to get that working, and it's a relatively sdimple fix at that (Kinda like with our grenade, and I think you'll recall we got a really shit roll on that too).

[Madman198237]

Firing in direct lines, the HFG will have longer range and more effective on impact than our artillery cannons. It might be more plentiful, it will certainly be easier to move and aim around the battlefield, and there are darn good reasons that full-size artillery guns are NEVER deployed on the battlefield as field guns even if howitzers are technically capable of firing direct. Doing so exposes them to more effective weapons, rifle fire, etc., which the large gun crew of a howitzer cannot shelter from.

The HFG won't be ideal either, it's a bit larger than strictly necessary in a field gun right now, but it will actually be useful and usable in that role even if will work best on the defense.

[Taricus]

The problem with the HFG is that it requires chemical compounds. But it shares that requirement with the GA2 cannon. Moreover a more close-in weapon it's... well, I think you may've summed it up with the fact that it is far larger than any field guns of the time. Does seems a little to impractical in the role for anywhere outside of a fortified position.

[Madman198237]

Sort of....but remember that sometimes you don't have time to install a bunker, and instead your defensive position is a trench or foxholes or whatever. When that happens, you really, REALLY want to have something that can be reliably and accurately fired at targets the artillery didn't quite manage to kill yet.

Field guns aren't necessarily close-in weapons. It depends HEAVILY on terrain, but the range at which a field gun is employed varies from ~300meters (bocage terrain [AKA hedgerows in France] or similar) to thousands of meters (flat terrain such as the deserts or savannahs) to "basically unlimited" (holding high ground, which is a dream come true for us now that we've got such a weapon).

[Twinwolf]

I mean, the chemical compounds is a non-issue - we can simply take a unit of that next turn, which we'll wanna do for the GA2 anyway. The problem is the size of it - this is something designed for being a stationary fortification, I don't think we can just put it on a sled and call it a day.

[Baffler]

On further reflection yeah, the HFG is decent but I think we can do a lot better with a dedicated piece.

Revisions (3 Credits)
Senapang Pattern Rifle (Sniper Variant) (4): Twinwolf, Taricus, NUKE9.13, Baffler
Retracting Roofs (5): Twinwolf, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13, Baffler
ArC-13c 'Turtle' (0):
Pembawa Troop Carrier (0):
ArC-13c "Kerata" Armored Car (3): Taricus, Madman, Baffler
HFG-13 (3): Madman, NUKE9.13, Twinwolf

Espionage
Peek (-1 to us, -3 to Abbera) (4): Maximum Spin, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
Light Observation (-1 to Abbera) (0):
Moderate Observation (+1 to us) (3): Twinwolf, Rockeater, Baffler

[Madman198237]

Um...we can fit the 150mm HOWITZER on the sled.

The 105mm is fine.

EDIT: Baffler just brought up in Discord that our grenades are still unsuitable for street-fighting because they tend to set everything on fire and leave you with less "street" and more "path between stretches of flaming ruin".

[Baffler]

Yeah. As reluctant as I am to throw on yet another option it is something that we ought to think about soon. How's this?

M3 Fragmentation Grenade
A fragmentation grenade, based on the M2 incendiary. The gav charge has been removed and replaced with metal fragments, while the casing of the grenade has been thickened. The exposive charge has been made smaller as well, to make it more suitable for use by assault troops.

Revisions (3 Credits)
Senapang Pattern Rifle (Sniper Variant) (4): Twinwolf, Taricus, NUKE9.13, Baffler
Retracting Roofs (4): Twinwolf, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
ArC-13c 'Turtle' (0):
Pembawa Troop Carrier (0):
ArC-13c "Kerata" Armored Car (3): Taricus, Madman, Baffler
HFG-13 (3): Madman, NUKE9.13, Twinwolf
M3 Fragmentation Grenade (1): Baffler


Espionage
Peek (-1 to us, -3 to Abbera) (4): Maximum Spin, Taricus, Madman, NUKE9.13
Light Observation (-1 to Abbera) (0):
Moderate Observation (+1 to us) (3): Twinwolf, Rockeater, Baffler