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[Doubloon-Seven]

I mean, there are clear advantages and disadvantages to both, but this is going to be the early stretch where we need to define a strategy for our future, and it seems more prudent do do that with a plan rather than an alloy of bits. The point is basically going to become moot in a little while, but we should cement ourselves first. By the way, explanation for my plan for the future so that some people might vote for my alliterationfest.

Spoiler: PPP Reasoning (click to show/hide)

Kinetic weapons. So very strong, yet difficult to get rid of because shells just disintegrate into bits and missiles can outrun our engines. Therefore, we need speed. Speed to scramble tracking computers, speed to prevent lasers from easily staying to one point, speed to be able to outmaneuver railgun shells, speed to allow point defense to safely detonate missiles. The new reactor design is supposed to take over for the Tokamak, but the Tokamak should be discarded just yet, because there is a very interesting type of engine that should increase our thrust by a factor of 10, where electromagnets crush a shell made of lithium into a bit of plasma, causing the entire thing to go thermonuclear out the back. The lasers will be useful as well, since they're literal hitscan weapons. Since they do not fire matter, we can devote more material to the ship itself. The fact that trajectory doesn't need to be taken into account means less intensive computers and more accuracy. Of course they'll probably have an ablative plate or whipple shield or something, so our speed will be important in allowing the particle weapons strategy to work. The fact that our engine would run off of plasma giving us an inroad to plasma weapons would also be neat.

[Iris]

Screw it, I'll support the PPP. Missiles can wait until next jump. (I also do not want to contribute to the aforementioned proposal explosion by creating my own.) 

Proposals for Jump 0
Proposal #0-01 (1): Blood_librarian
Proposal #0-02 (0):
Proposal Principles of Particles and Plasmas (2): DoubloonSeven, Iridium
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Ship Names
Havoc: (0)
Anvil: (1) Jilladilla
Osprey: (2) Iridium, DoubloonSeven
Wait: (1) Blood_Librarian
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Group Names
Eternal Freemen: (0)
The Space Communists: (1) helmacon
Wait: (3) Blood_Librarian, Iridium, DoubloonSeven

[frostgiant]

Hmm, Not sure I like the Proposals right now.

Proposal: Heating The Forge.
-3 Dice: P-01 Stellarator
-3 Dice: FE-J0 "Extreme Excavation" Blast Mining System
-3 Dice:FE-J0 "Laceration" Shrapnel Cannon
--Save 1 Dice for Revision Phase

Proposal: Heating The HoloForge
-3 Dice: P-01 Stellarator
-3 Dice: FE-J0 "Extreme Excavation" Blast Mining System
-3 Dice:'Saker' Laser Turret
--Save 1 Dice for Revision Phase

I Like the Power system in PPP, but I don't like the lack of a mining system in the proposal. For the last design I could go either way, With Either the Laceration (which can be used as a flak cannon to kill small craft and missiles due to the fact it a giant Shaped shrapnel bomb) or the Kestrel, as both Will provide our ships protection from Missle fire from the enemy ship. Also, Plan PPP has no Dice allocation.

Proposals for Jump 0:

Proposal #0-01 (1): Blood_librarian
Proposal #0-02 (0):
Proposal Principles of Particles and Plasmas (2): DoubloonSeven, Iridium
Proposal: Heating The HoloForge (0)
Proposal: Heating The Forge (1): Frostgiant,
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Ship Names

Havoc: (0)
Anvil: (2) Jilladilla, Frostgiant
Osprey: (2) Iridium, DoubloonSeven
Wait: (1) Blood_Librarian
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Group Names

Eternal Freemen: (0)
The Space Communists: (1) helmacon
Vulcan Technocrats (1) Frostgiant
Wait: (3) Blood_Librarian, Iridium, DoubloonSeven

[Doubloon-Seven]

I thought it was a flat 3 dice per project? Also, I wanted to look into a mining system involving lasers based off of the Kestrel. I'd consider a proper life support system to be a higher priority than mining, though, so I wanted to start on proper life support next turn. Otherwise, we could use that revision to retool the current life support to be better at its job. If you're dead set on mining systems, then why not revise the mining ships?

[frostgiant]

Whoops, missed that that part was different then galactirace Ignore the last bit of my statement doubloon, sorry.

[helmacon]

So, a thought. Since we have automatic progression of projects each turn, we should start our biggest and most ambitious projects this turn, and do our revisions/small projects at the turn right before we start.

Also, I think we ought to go for a tank build. This is essentially designed to become a war of attrition, so building something like a ship wide automated repair system sends like a good start. Spending less on repairs each turn will quickly add up to a passive resource advantage, plus we won't have to try and cram this in late game when everything is falling apart.

[Doubloon-Seven]

Wait, it's automatic? I thought you had to continually invest dice into the project until it was finished? If that is true though, you have a real point.
Edit: Yeah, you're right. In that case, frostgiant, could you replace the Kestrel in Heating the Holoforge with the Saker? I'd actually support that. Next turn could be used to get the Kestrel, that fancy plasma engine I talked about, and maybe a better life support system.

[frostgiant]

Sounds good, I'll replace the kestral.

EDIT:We need to be very careful with advanced plastics, or do our absolute best to cut them out of our designs entirely, due to the fact that we can't make more and we need to recycle any that we use to recoup them into the resource pool. A Salvage Ship-based off the miners or A ship module for that purpose Should be something that we look at next turn.

[Jilladilla]

Wait, it's automatic? I thought you had to continually invest dice into the project until it was finished? If that is true though, you have a real point.

Automatic progress is slow. For a small project, it's perfectly fine to just let it finish automatically. For a large project? If you want it done in any reasonable length of time we will want to throw dice at it.

Automatic Progress is determined by the Progress role at project creation. If we roll a 1, it'll progress at 1/turn. With a roll of 2 or 3, it'll progress 2/turn. Four or Five, 3/turn. A 6 gives us 4 free progress per turn on that project.

This being said, the dice is normalized, so we're probably only getting 2 or 3 progress a turn, so the projects started now will likely only get 6-9 free progress.

Proposals for Jump 0:

Proposal #0-01 (1): Blood_librarian
Proposal #0-02 (0):
Proposal Principles of Particles and Plasmas (2): DoubloonSeven, Iridium
Proposal: Heating The HoloForge (0)
Proposal: Heating The Forge (2): Frostgiant, Jilladilla
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Ship Names

Havoc: (0)
Anvil: (2) Jilladilla, Frostgiant
Osprey: (2) Iridium, DoubloonSeven
Wait: (1) Blood_Librarian
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Group Names

Eternal Freemen: (0)
The Space Communists: (1) helmacon
Vulcan Technocrats (1) Frostgiant
Wait: (3) Blood_Librarian, Iridium, DoubloonSeven

[Iris]

In the case of automatic updates, I should start my proposal now:

Proposal: Modular Systems

• 3 dice: Basic Missile Template
• 3 dice: Basic Small Craft Template
• 3 dice: P-01 Stellarator

The templates will allow things such as strike craft, mining ships, breaching pods, etc. to be completed as revisions.

Proposals for Jump 0:

Proposal #0-01 (1): Blood_librarian
Proposal #0-02 (0):
Proposal Principles of Particles and Plasmas (1): DoubloonSeven
Proposal: Heating The HoloForge (0)
Proposal: Heating The Forge (2): Frostgiant, Jilladilla
Proposal: Modular Systems (1): Iridium
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Ship Names

Havoc: (0)
Anvil: (2) Jilladilla, Frostgiant
Osprey: (2) Iridium, DoubloonSeven
Wait: (1) Blood_Librarian
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Group Names

Eternal Freemen: (0)
The Space Communists: (1) helmacon
Vulcan Technocrats (1) Frostgiant
Wait: (3) Blood_Librarian, Iridium, DoubloonSeven

[Doubloon-Seven]

Proposals for Jump 0:

Proposal #0-01 (1): Blood_librarian
Proposal #0-02 (0):
Proposal Principles of Particles and Plasmas (0):
Proposal: Heating The HoloForge (0):
Proposal: Heating The Forge (3): Frostgiant, Jilladilla, DoubloonSeven
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Ship Names

Havoc: (0)
Anvil: (2) Jilladilla, Frostgiant
Osprey: (2) Iridium, DoubloonSeven
Wait: (1) Blood_Librarian
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Group Names

Eternal Freemen: (0)
The Space Communists: (1) helmacon
Vulcan Technocrats (1) Frostgiant
Wait: (3) Blood_Librarian, Iridium, DoubloonSeven

Rereading the Laceration... yeah, it actually seems fine. I was under the impression that it was like a shotgun instead of a claymore mine on a missile. Though I'm still not too sure as to its use in point defense, it seems like a good weapon.

[frostgiant]

I personally prefer the Laceration, I Just put together the holoforge plan for people who would prefer the energy weapons but agreed with the other two points.

[Blood_Librarian]

@ChiefWaffles, could we create an exterior "clamp" module that could allow us to fabricate a frigate or destroyer and put it on the clamp?

Proposals for Jump 0:

Proposal #0-01 (0):
Proposal #0-02 (0):
Proposal Principles of Particles and Plasmas (0):
Proposal: Heating The HoloForge (0):
Proposal: Heating The Forge (4): Frostgiant, Jilladilla, DoubloonSeven, Blood_Librarian
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Ship Names

Havoc: (0)
Anvil: (2) Jilladilla, Frostgiant
Osprey: (2) Iridium, DoubloonSeven
Wait: (1) Blood_Librarian
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Group Names

Eternal Freemen: (0)
The Space Communists: (1) helmacon
Vulcan Technocrats (1) Frostgiant
Wait: (3) Blood_Librarian, Iridium, DoubloonSeven

[Iris]

*sigh*

Proposals for Jump 0:

Proposal #0-01 (0):
Proposal #0-02 (0):
Proposal Principles of Particles and Plasmas (0):
Proposal: Heating The HoloForge (0):
Proposal: Heating The Forge (4): Frostgiant, Jilladilla, DoubloonSeven, Blood_Librarian
Proposal: Modular Systems (1): Iridium
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Ship Names

Havoc: (0)
Anvil: (2) Jilladilla, Frostgiant
Osprey: (2) Iridium, DoubloonSeven
Wait: (1) Blood_Librarian
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Group Names

Eternal Freemen: (0)
The Space Communists: (1) helmacon
Vulcan Technocrats (1) Frostgiant
Wait: (3) Blood_Librarian, Iridium, DoubloonSeven

+1 to the clamp idea, if it counts (even though this could be a revision to the Basic Small Craft Template)

[Doubloon-Seven]

Ach. Sorry for forgetting your modular systems proposal on the vote list, Iridium. But yeah, an escort or two has potential.