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Author Topic: Knights of the Skies: Kolechia Thread - Early Summer 1916, Production Phase  (Read 55474 times)

NUKE9.13

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Quote from: Plan A
Budget: 20PP
Maintenance (10PP)
Sell Squad 3 & 4's Lvoc Cameras (11PP)
Buy Oracle Camera for Squad 3 & 4 (7PP)
Buy TEP for Squad 1, 2, 3 & 4 (5PP)
Buy EFM for Squad 2(0PP)
Transfer Squad 2's Feather & LMG to new Squad 6
Transfer Crimson Eagle's LMG to Squad 4

Squad 1 (EFM, TEP, Ace Piotr): Air Superiority along Derboise-Demisonne Road
Squad 2 (EFM, TEP): Air Superiority over Basselton
Squad 3 (Feather, LMG, Oracle, TEP): Aerial Reconnaissance along Derboise-Demisonne Road
Squad 4 (Feather, LMG, Oracle, TEP): Aerial Reconnaissance over Basselton
Squad 5 (Feather, LMG, Dogbite): Bombing Basselton
Squad 6 (Feather, LMG): Escort Squad 5

Crimson Eagles (Feather, Lvoc): Airshows. Don't forget to use Rainbow Flares to spice things up.

Observer 1: Artillery Spotting along Derboise-Demisonne Road
Observer 2: Artillery Spotting at Basselton
Observer 3: Assigned to Navy

Alright, here's my proposal. We let Verusa take Estwice, and hope that they don't send enough forces north to stop us from advancing there, because again, if we take Demisonne the central front is forced to fall back or be cut off from supplies. We also dedicate considerable forces to securing the fall of Basselton, since that would be a nice feather in our caps (which should balance out us abandoning Estwice).

We tried spreading out last turn, and it didn't work. We need to focus our forces if we want to push through, which means we need to choose a front that is less important to abandon.
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Taricus

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We didn't really spread out though, but instead just concentrated on the centre? That's the impression I got from the BR
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I felt like both us and Verusa focused on the Center.
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I was referring to us sending a single plane to the northern front. Had we sent it to the centre, we might have won there (the fact that winning there is all-but pointless aside), and it's not like it really helped much in the north.

Regardless, I honestly feel like I must be missing something, cos to me abandoning the centre is such an obvious choice that it baffles me others don't see it the same way.
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If we abandon that center we lose Estwice, and I know I'm just naturally against that, despite land control having no direct effect on us.

We may lose prestige and relations whenever we abandon the army and cause a defeat thigh, so there may actely be a tangible effect after all.
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I expect an abandonment to hurt more than a successful city capture helps, and a successful capture is never guaranteed. Combined with it not being in our job description to say "We'll just abandon this city for now, and all our infantrymen on the ground, so we can cut their logistics off," and it just doesn't seem worth the risks.
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Gah, fine. I can compromise to sending one squad to the central front. Any more than that is just... stupid. One squad is enough to not get the generals yelling at us, as seen last turn when they didn't yell at us for only sending one squad to the (vastly more important) northern front.

Quote from: Plan B
Budget: 20PP
Maintenance (10PP)
Sell Squad 3 & Crimson Eagle's Lvoc Cameras (11PP)
Buy Oracle Camera for Squad 3 (9PP)
Buy TEP for Squad 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 & Crimson Eagles (6PP)
Buy EFM for Squad 2(1PP)
Buy Type 11 LMG for Squad 4 (0PP)
Transfer Squad 2's Feather & LMG to new Squad 6

Squad 1 (EFM, TEP, Ace Piotr): Air Superiority along Derboise-Demisonne Road
Squad 2 (EFM, TEP): Air Superiority over Basselton
Squad 3 (Feather, LMG, Oracle, TEP): Aerial Reconnaissance along Derboise-Demisonne Road
Squad 4 (Feather, LMG, Lvoc, TEP): Aerial Reconnaissance over Basselton
Squad 5 (Feather, LMG, Dogbite TEP): Bombing Basselton
Squad 6 (Feather, LMG): Air Superiority along the Estwice-Dreidansk Road
Crimson Eagles (Feather, LMG, TEP): Escort Squad 5

Observer 1: Artillery Spotting along Derboise-Demisonne Road
Observer 2: Artillery Spotting at Basselton
Observer 3: Assigned to Navy

This does mean the Crimson Eagles remain on duty for another turn.

E: Also, we need to decide on what to send the Ottomans. The EFM, obviously, and I think the Oracle camera and TEP. Oracle camera helps them with intel (for example, knowing if the British are about to retreat and could be overrun), and the TEP helps them conserve their limited amount of pilots.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2018, 08:53:23 am by NUKE9.13 »
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Taricus

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If we devote a squadron of EFMs to the central front that should be enough to slow them there. Moreover, on the southern island we need to ensure there's some form of aerial resistance near Mizogorod, since they've pushed in that direction last turn. Moreover, we've seen what their new emus do to our feathers. There is no point just having a single squadron around if they're just going to be easily shot down.

The Eagles are safe enough to put back into acrobatics if we've got air superiority for our bombers too.
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If we send a squadron of EFMs to the centre, that's a squadron of EFMs we're not sending somewhere else. This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about; we cannot send enough forces to secure every front. We have to accept that one front is going to be weaker than the others.

No shit a single squadron of Feathers is gonna get rekt. But it'd be enough to keep the generals from getting extremely upset, which is what actually matters.

Air Superiority is not Bomber Escort. If Verusa sends considerable forces to Basselton, we'll want our bombers to be escorted. We can gamble that they won't send enough forces there, and send the Crimson Eagles to do shows, but I'd rather not take the risk of not capturing Basselton.
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They're more likely to push in the centre given their last turn. And sure, Air superiority isn't bomber escort, but if the air superiority fighters do their job well there won't be any aircraft left to harass our bombers.
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I know they're more likely to push the centre. The point I've been trying to get across is that the central front doesn't really matter, since if we capture Demisonne it collapses.

Yeah, if our Air Superiority is magically better than the enemy, we won't have any troubles. But, I hate to break this to you, our pilots are not significantly better than the enemy. If they send more planes than they can handle (like, say, two squads of Emus, or one squad of Emus and two Rhinos), then some will get through. In which case having some escorts will do a lot to keep our 'bombers' safe.

Also, re: Mizgorod, I got the impression that our generals weren't really worried about it yet.
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Do we have to bomb? The bombs are unstable and generally terrible, so it ties up two squadrons (and even light harassment might force them to evade and jiggle the bombs around dangerously). It seems we could better use the escort for almost anything else, and the bomber could have more effect by strafing or even balloon hunting.


We have the possibility of two EFMs and the oracle, if we sell all 3 LVOCs and the mortar bombs. It'd be better if we want to spread out, giving us a core of EFMs in 3 of the 4 combat zones. Plus 4 armed feather squadrons, so one area would have to deal with either just an EFM, while another gets 2 feathers.
They can strafe the enemy lines if left uncontested, but we'll only have 1 camera and 2 balloons for recon support.
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Hmm. True, I hadn't considered that even with an escort the shitty mortar rounds could go off just from dodging. Yeah, alright, maybe no bombing. Not sure if strafing is an option, though, especially not in city fighting, where folks can hide in buildings when they hear a plane coming.

Also, where are you getting four combat zones from? I only see three? Unless you're counting Mizgorod as a another front- but our generals have indicated that the city should easily be able to hold out for a while.
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Also, where are you getting four combat zones from? I only see three? Unless you're counting Mizgorod as a another front- but our generals have indicated that the city should easily be able to hold out for a while.
That's the one I mean, yeah. If they're dedicating planes to it, it's worth at least considering doing the same. I doubt they'll send a heavy force, since the mainland fronts are pretty important, but it's probably worth at least a feather.

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Our generals are stupid! (That is, I don't trust their assessment of how much threat bombers would be, particularly if the new enemy plane happens to mostly be for bomber duty.)
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Hmm... we could send the "bombers" to Mizogorod, since they're unlikely to face serious resistance there, and we know where they are already- at the range limit of the city's defensive artillery.

Could, but I think capturing Basselton is more important than defending a city that won't fall unless Verusa dedicates an awful lot of forces to it- and even then might not, since their planes would be operating at max range, and be unable to do much.

E: Actually, another thing we could do is buy another squad of Hykibs for the navy. If our navy has an advantage over theirs, all our efforts on the islands will be easier.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2018, 12:07:02 pm by NUKE9.13 »
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