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Author Topic: Knights of the Skies: Kolechia Thread - Early Summer 1916, Production Phase  (Read 55401 times)

Imic

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I'm going to watch for the time being, once I have a good idea of what's happening and how this works, I'll join in for proper.
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I think we can offer the army and navy a proposal to make a .50 call mg. I know that the navy has scuffed at all the stuff we gave them for anti air defense but with us promising to make naval air crafts a thing I hope they see reason and accept the new mg.
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I have a few problems with the suggestions,and they mainly arise from the fact we are gaining to little with them. While I don't think that Balloons will be such a good asset in the war, giving them out like candy doesn't help us in our main objective, which is increasing the prestige of our air force.

I would suggest to make a condition to have our independence upgraded to the next level, before any of our negotiations are realized, as well as the creation of a center for Interservice Cooperation, so we can better share our objectives in the war and discuss targets of strategic importance.

I would also change to make the heavy machine gun proposal our main sell instead of the ballons. They give us the money, we will develop an AA gun capable of making short work out of anything they throw at us. Hell,it could even be useful in Ship to Ship combat if we do it Ina ridiculous caliber.
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My main aim is to foster goodwill with the Army and Navy, as I imagine they have a significant vote in deciding whether we get promoted as a branch.

I'm not sure whether extorting a promotion out of them is the way to go.

I also don't think we need a High Calibre machinegun. Our current guns should cut through most metal fairly easy after all.
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Khang36

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Not really while rifle caliber mg can shoot shhot through metat well enough they wont inflict enough damage to shoot down any metal fighter plane without needing more than 6 mgs.
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Putting bullets through pilots and engines should be enough, especially if our incendieries let us ignite ammo and fuel. We don't have to cut planes in half with bullets.
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Yes that works but even the british who believed the same thing switched to 20mm cannons when they found that 8 .30 cal mgs were not shooting planes down fast enough. We are going to need a .50 cal soon with our bomber being deployed the other team will make their own to counter. With only .30 cal mgs our fighter would have to be either really skilled or exceptionally luck to shoot one down if they are being escorted.
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Kolechian Armed Forces Council Negotiations, Round 2:

The guards are still at their posts, stone-faced, as the design team troops back into the meeting rooms. Night falls, and now their watch begins. In this case, watching as the KPAF irons out the proposal for a mutual development fund with the navy.

Quote from: 1916 Armed Forces Council - KPAF Proposal 3b - Naval Development
Instead of a generic fund, with generic parameters with no goal or end date, we propose developing towards a specified target to be achieved by next year (8 turns). We suggest one of the following:
- A Seaplane Bomber and cargoship-tender conversion. The Russian navy has already proven their effectiveness.
- A light, carrier-launched bomber and cargo ship carrier conversion. Deck-launched planes have been a thing since 1910, and are likely to be a significant boon to naval recon and power exertion.

Two options are presented: either a seaplane bomber with a converted tender, or a light carrier-launched bomber with a converted carrier. Between these, the navy is more interested in the aircraft carrier option. It’s likely to be a long and difficult project(s), but the payoff of getting planes into the naval theatre could be huge.

Negotiations press on well past midnight, but the tentative final proposal takes shape. The mutual development fund for naval aeronautics will be paid into at a rate of 3 PP per turn from both the Kolechian Navy and the KPAF. The KPAF will commit to spending this fund and at least 8 dice over the coming year on naval projects. These projects will consist of, separately, a light carrier-launched bomber with a minimum of 90kg bombload, and some type of merchant ship to be converted into an aircraft-carrying ship. The Navy will assist in the development process for the carrier with two dice, but the naval bomber will be entirely developed by the KPAF.

While a majority of the Navy representatives are in favour of this proposal, some admirals are still sceptical of the effect that light bombers will have on the seas. There is the possibility that the KPAF might make an alternative proposal involving air-dropped torpedoes, but for now the agreement regarding the development of a carrier remains on the table.

A lone Army general who has stayed up to observe the proceedings clarifies that the army would expect the KPAF to have at least one squadron of planes deployed to protect the Hykib balloons, in every theatre that they are sent to. These planes need not be specifically assigned to balloon defense, he says, but they must be shooting down enemy planes, one way or another. Based on his opinion, if the balloon deal goes through, perhaps half the generals would be willing to promote the KPAF – meaning that the design team still must find some other way to persuade the remaining half if they want the promotion.

The petition for helmets and lifejackets is shelved for the next morning, when the officials from the Ministry of War are awake. The design team returns to bed exhausted, but this conference finally seems to be bearing fruit.
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Based on his opinion, if the balloon deal goes through, perhaps half the generals would be willing to promote the KPAF – meaning that the design team still must find some other way to persuade the remaining half if they want the promotion.

No lasting gratitude from our past swift technology exchanges?
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Based on his opinion, if the balloon deal goes through, perhaps half the generals would be willing to promote the KPAF – meaning that the design team still must find some other way to persuade the remaining half if they want the promotion.

No lasting gratitude from our past swift technology exchanges?

That includes the technology transfer already! The Army is now at a 'Friendly' Relations level, from the transfer.
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Yeez they're hard to please.
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Imic

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Yeez they're hard to please.
This is world war one, and a socialist country at that. Land forces comprise everything we have and then some, especially if outpr navy's in the state it's in...
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AA Defense fund
The release of our dedicated bomber, with a payload unseen until now, will surely divert the enemy's focus towards a dedicated bomber, especially now that they have finished their fighter design. The KPAF, with its aeronautical experience is the optimal developer for a way to defend military objectives from enemy bombers. A suggestion for our first design would be a barrage balloon net that would deny the enemy mid and low airspace, enabling only highly inaccurate high level bombing. The fund would be given a regular funding from the War Ministry (3PP), perhaps some extra die and we will swear to get something AA related every year. The Army and the Navy would pay a fee for the schematics, determined at the star of the project in order to deploy the AA themselves. If they think the project is useless, they can choose not to pay. [/quite]
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Metereological station
The KPAF, owing to its knowledge of the atmosphere and climate, offers to take the burden of metereological prediction, in order to centralize such a vital information gathering which is so important for operational and tactical success.

In exchange, the KPAF promises to develop, in the spam of two years, a modern metereological station and share all information gathered by it with the Army and the Navy, deploying and maintaining one in every theater.

This might be too generous, but it would surely help those dubious generals too support our rise in rank. Perhaps it would be fair to parade the idea along, see if anyone wants to fund it?

Also, regarding the AA fund, if we develop the barrage balloons and, afterwards, some flak with sights to estimate distance and speed of enemy aircraft,the effect of their bombers will be substantially lowered.

Also, we could see if the army and the navy will be interested in our aluminum alloy and also let them make suggestions about any revisions to the project. It kinda needs them before it is ready to launch. Too costly and making the material a bit better will gain us huge dividends later.

For more ideas regarding usage of balloons, check https://www.google.es/search?q=operation+outward&oq=operation+outwa&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.23346j1j4&client=ms-android-huawei&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Fuck it, posting the other two suggestions. Also, see if we can find somebody to fund our metereological corps.

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Mayday Alloy
We will show both the army and the navy our new alloy, and offer them the material if they contribute some dice and PP to iron its faults. They can pitch in to point at the most glaring problems

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Naval proposal addition
Alongside the carrier and bomber, we promise to develop an air droppable torpedo to further improve the effectivity of our bombers in the sea, so they can be a threat to the enemy's "battleship"
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