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Reelya

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Re: Conspiracy Theories: The Pro-epidemic Rorschach ArchaeologyThread
« Reply #120 on: May 27, 2018, 12:55:23 pm »

If it's something on their planet that we don't have then we couldn't possibly know what it is to speculate about it.

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« Reply #121 on: May 27, 2018, 01:08:18 pm »

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« Reply #122 on: May 27, 2018, 01:37:58 pm »

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« Reply #123 on: May 27, 2018, 02:06:04 pm »

I wasn't trying to add serious discussion FYI, I was just giving what I thought was a funny situation

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« Reply #124 on: May 27, 2018, 02:14:01 pm »

"What exactly do you mean when you say you 'had' helium?"

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« Reply #125 on: May 27, 2018, 02:15:51 pm »

"You turned an EXTREMELY powerful energy source, into CHILDREN'S ENTERTAINMENT!?"

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« Reply #126 on: May 27, 2018, 02:19:17 pm »

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« Reply #127 on: May 27, 2018, 03:54:00 pm »

"You turned an EXTREMELY powerful energy source, into CHILDREN'S ENTERTAINMENT!?"
You mean coolant. Most helium is not suitable for fusion.
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« Reply #128 on: May 27, 2018, 04:02:29 pm »

"You turned an EXTREMELY powerful energy source, into CHILDREN'S ENTERTAINMENT!?"
You mean coolant. Most helium is not suitable for fusion.
So far as we know, anyways.

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« Reply #129 on: May 27, 2018, 10:51:52 pm »

It can possibly become useful after being used as shielding/shutdown material for fission reactors. (Or just sat in a tank near a star long enough-- OR, if you favor near-lightspeed travel, used as shielding for the vehicle against cosmic hydrogen bombardment while in transit.)
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« Reply #130 on: May 27, 2018, 11:03:29 pm »

On the one hand, going nearly the speed of light seems pretty damn inefficient if you're going to take a long time to get there no matter how fast you go. On the other hand, if you've spotted a planet with life on it you might want to get there as quickly as possible so that they don't nuke themselves into oblivion before you get there.
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« Reply #131 on: May 27, 2018, 11:15:26 pm »

On the one hand, going nearly the speed of light seems pretty damn inefficient if you're going to take a long time to get there no matter how fast you go. On the other hand, if you've spotted a planet with life on it you might want to get there as quickly as possible so that they don't nuke themselves into oblivion before you get there.

On the third hand, relativistic travel can be intrinsically worth it in the sense that time dilation can reduce the proper time of the trip to something for which the maintenance requirements over the duration are less daunting.
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Reelya

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« Reply #132 on: May 28, 2018, 12:03:30 am »

Oh sry I didn't actually read everything, just react to the general idea that aliens came for gold or whatever (which I heard many times). IMHO the most unique thing we could offer in interstellar trade would be delicacies such as cheese and beer. Because they probably would not want tech or raw ressources... Maybe cultural things such as books, music or movies could be valuable too; if they weren't too easy to copy.

Actually, the "ancient aliens' believers generally state that they uplifted humans from apes. e.g. that doesn't actually presuppose that they detected us and then came here, since the entire point is that we didn't exist yet. e.g. if apes didn't exist, they might have uplifted wolves or some other animal instead.

e.g. all that's needed is to presuppose that the aliens detected some life-signs here. Previously, it was generally assumed that meant they'd have to have sent actual physical probes to each and every star system, then get data sent back from the probe, then send the expedition. But that seems naive now, given that we can already scan the atmospheres of many exo-planets from lightyears away. So the only thing such a race would need to notice Earth is a spectroscopic analysis of our atmosphere and to notice the high concentrations of oxygen and water.

But such a race is highly likely to be much older than us (since the chances of them developing space travel and arriving recently is extremely unlikely), so in that scenario you could imagine a race who send a bio-survey expedition once in every few million years or so, so they'd be extremely unlikely to have visited Earth in "historical" time. e.g. even if some ancient (many millions of years old) spacefaring race knows there's life on this planet, and even if they have sent expeditions before, they're extremely unlikely to have sent an expedition any time recently, or to know that humans are here, or that we have recently "teched up".

This is another reason "ancient aliens" believers usually state that the aliens created our race and/or our civilization, because if there's a causal link there, it explains away why they would have arrived only a "short" time ago in the geological sense.
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« Reply #133 on: May 28, 2018, 08:28:41 am »

I mean, any time is just as likely as any other for aliens to have arrived, since they could have started at any point after they noticed life on earth

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« Reply #134 on: May 28, 2018, 09:27:29 am »

That's right any time is as likely as any other. But the issue is that "not recently" is much longer than "recently". So if the aliens could have been around any time in the last 100 million years and visited us once, then there's only a 5% chance they did so in the last 5 million years, and if you get that down to civilization time, it's a very low chance, e.g. the last 10,000 years would then be a 0.01% chance.

That's why the ancient alien people claim the aliens caused civilization, since it would be too much of a coincidence if they just happened to visit say at 3000 BC, right as we happened to be starting towards civilization.
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