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[RulerOfNothing]

That seems reasonable. +1 to Plan A.

[Hotfire90]

With the weather clearing up, it should be safe to send expeditions next turn, we should make use of that by building the Hothouse, sending as many expeditions as we can, and then pushing to improve our industry with the gathered resources.

x2 Gather steel (Automaton)
x2 Gather Wood (Free)
Set up Hothouse (-1 wood, -2 steel, -1 steam core)
Set up coal Thumper (-2 wood, -1 steel)
Innovate - Resources : Gathering Inventory

[Parsely]

You haven't updated the Steelworks action, FYI.

Anyway, obviously we set up the coal thumper this turn. With the snow clearing up, we should probably send out an expedition. I'd also like to work on heating research.

Gather Steel x2 (Automaton)
Gather Wood x1 (Free)
Gather Food x1

Set up Coal Thumper (-2w, -1s)

Innovate -  Heating : Hubs and Heaters (-2s)

Send an expedition into the Frostland - The Outpost(Survivors) (-1f)

+1 to plan A

It's best to get the heating innovation out of the way so that the turn we get the next bad weather forecast we can build heaters.

[TopHat]

Gather Steel x2 (Automaton)
Gather Wood x1 (Free)
Gather Food x1

Set up Coal Thumper (-2w, -1s)

Innovate -  Heating : Hubs and Heaters (-2s)

Send an expedition into the Frostland - The Outpost(Survivors) (-1f)

+1

[10ebbor10]

So, quick question.

You guys are aware that the plan as written will shut down the Generator?

Perm resources refill the pool after expenses.

[NUKE9.13]

Uh. No. We were absolutely not aware of that. So we need two coal to keep everything running, then?

Gather Steel x2 (Automaton)
Gather Wood x1 (Free)
Gather Coal x2

Set up Coal Thumper (-2w, -1s)

Innovate -  Heating : Hubs and Heaters (-2s)

[King Zultan]

Gather Steel x2 (Automaton)
Gather Wood x1 (Free)
Gather Coal x2

Set up Coal Thumper (-2w, -1s)

Innovate -  Heating : Hubs and Heaters (-2s)

+1

[RulerOfNothing]

+1 to Plan B

[10ebbor10]

Uh. No. We were absolutely not aware of that. So we need two coal to keep everything running, then?

1 coal is sufficient.

The accounting goes like this

1) Effect of turn actions are processed:
   1.1) Gathering gains resources
   1.2) Spending consumes resources (Your Generator counts as 1 spending)
2) Perm Resources are accounted for, refilling pools (or depleting them if they're negative).

Because your steel plant's coal cost is a perm resource, it's cost can be negated by the gain from the coal Thumper.  The generator however can not (that would result in confusing double spending).

[Hotfire90]

Gather Steel x2 (Automaton)
Gather Wood x1 (Free)
Gather Coal x2

Set up Coal Thumper (-2w, -1s)

Innovate -  Heating : Hubs and Heaters (-2s)

+1

[NUKE9.13]

1 coal is sufficient.

The accounting goes like this

1) Effect of turn actions are processed:
   1.1) Gathering gains resources
   1.2) Spending consumes resources (Your Generator counts as 1 spending)
2) Perm Resources are accounted for, refilling pools (or depleting them if they're negative).

Because your steel plant's coal cost is a perm resource, it's cost can be negated by the gain from the coal Thumper.  The generator however can not (that would result in confusing double spending).

I'm going to be honest, this is more confusing. Why isn't the Generator a permanent cost? We can turn off the thing that literally keeps us from freezing to death, but we can't turn off the smelter?

Anyway, we are in a situation where the optimal play is to have someone do nothing, I think. Otherwise we're gathering resources we can't keep, depleting our potential resources for no benefit.

Gather Steel x2 (Automaton)
Gather Wood x1 (Free)
Gather Coal x1

Set up Coal Thumper (-2w, -1s)

Innovate -  Heating : Hubs and Heaters (-2s)

Do Jack Shit x1

[10ebbor10]

I'm going to be honest, this is more confusing. Why isn't the Generator a permanent cost? We can turn off the thing that literally keeps us from freezing to death, but we can't turn off the smelter?

You're right, it's inconsistent to have 2 different systems. As such, there's 2 possibilities.

1) Make the Generator (and other resource consuming things), a permanent cost ( in which case you need 0 coal this turn).
2) Make Perm Resource shortages a temp cost ( in which case you need 2 coal, and get to choose what to shut down when resources are short);

I'll let you pick, and will then choose the matching plan.

[Madman198237]

I'd think that it'd make the most sense to assign them as permanent costs, but also allow them to be shut down when we want to.

[NUKE9.13]

You're right, it's inconsistent to have 2 different systems. As such, there's 2 possibilities.

1) Make the Generator (and other resource consuming things), a permanent cost ( in which case you need 0 coal this turn).
2) Make Perm Resource shortages a temp cost ( in which case you need 2 coal, and get to choose what to shut down when resources are short);

I'll let you pick, and will then choose the matching plan.

So, if we pick 1, and run low on coal for some reason, what happens? Does everything that needs coal shut down? Or do things turn off in a certain order?

[King Zultan]

I'd think that it'd make the most sense to assign them as permanent costs, but also allow them to be shut down when we want to.

This seems like the best option.