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[thvaz]

(As books , I mean books, quires and scrolls)

- In the profile of your dwarves should be described which books they wrote.
- The description of the book should inform at least the year it was written or, if a copy, both the date of the original work and the date of that copy.
- Poems, songs and musical styles should be written. Dwarves could learn from them.
- Important info as location of lost artifacts should be written and books and learned from reading them.
- Dwarves shouldn't hang out in the library if not reading or discussing topics.
- Libraries' tables shouldn't be used as a place for dwarves to eat. Or maybe it could be some kind of offense punishable by Dwarven Justice?
- Visitors shouldn't take away original works unless they brought them themselves. They should make copies of the originals and be allowed to take them away, though.
- Dwarves could want to acquire copies of books they like in a similar fashion as how they get trinkets for themselves.

[ShinyandKittens]

I love many things about this post.

- It’s a list written straight from your brain, which you do infinitely better than I
- It’s a lesser-used aspect of DF
- It all makes sense!

But I have things to add:

- If Dwarves acquire books, they should read them and get a minor happy thought.
- Dwarves could read at tables, and they can use tables in their rooms.

[FantasticDorf]

A long time ago, dwarves used to have a economy between themselves, wages from coin piles and little payments on rooms & personal things that they bought. It would be nice if some of our spare books could be marked for being ready to distribute to shops or freed from the library to be owned personally a bit like a pet adoption by dwarves.

Again that'd take a whole couple of years-worth of progress towards the economy arc, and even then it is ambiguous whether shop workshops as they existed would ever return.

- In the profile of your dwarves should be described which books they wrote.
- The description of the book should inform at least the year it was written or, if a copy, both the date of the original work and the date of that copy.
- Poems, songs and musical styles should be written. Dwarves could learn from them.
- Important info as location of lost artifacts should be written and books and learned from reading them.

- That's a lot of UI that could be dedicated to many many books, or even a reference to all the masterworks personally made, i do not think that's a great idea since the maker is already referenced in the description of the object.

- Agreed, it would be helpful, but i don't see how copies scribing the original's date would be relevant, its not wholly realistic at the minute with books containing information and each copy is own deviation of the original of the topic, despite not being a sequel according to the writer.

- Books don't currently hold information, and what's written may (if that was added) be incorrect as of the time it was originally authored, but it would be nice to get rumors (which are pretty consistent as they are with spies and drunks mouthing off the last known locations of everything) from books and other information, like learning about other places as book subjects in which more information is then revealed to you.

- Poems are written across time in world-generation as more appear in year 100 rather than year 5 onwards, but it think there's some criteria im not quite sure of to make dwarves start writing them up in-fortress, which may rely on cross training poets, bards and muscians to be proficient writers when not working.

- Dwarves shouldn't hang out in the library if not reading or discussing topics.

- That's actually just because its a meeting zone underneath while the other locations have (mediation & socialise) activities, you can turn that off by just using a little exploit by turning the (i) meeting zone off before the location can register that the meeting zone s active.

- Libraries' tables shouldn't be used as a place for dwarves to eat. Or maybe it could be some kind of offense punishable by Dwarven Justice?
- Visitors shouldn't take away original works unless they brought them themselves. They should make copies of the originals and be allowed to take them away, though.

These are just bugs that need ironing out, not really a suggestion as much as kind of publicly pointing it out to Toady to hopefully fix it.

[thvaz]

A long time ago, dwarves used to have a economy between themselves, wages from coin piles and little payments on rooms & personal things that they bought. It would be nice if some of our spare books could be marked for being ready to distribute to shops or freed from the library to be owned personally a bit like a pet adoption by dwarves.

Again that'd take a whole couple of years-worth of progress towards the economy arc, and even then it is ambiguous whether shop workshops as they existed would ever return.

I remember that time. But even without a proper economy dwarves already get trinkets they like, the same could apply to books.

- In the profile of your dwarves should be described which books they wrote.
- The description of the book should inform at least the year it was written or, if a copy, both the date of the original work and the date of that copy.
- Poems, songs and musical styles should be written. Dwarves could learn from them.
- Important info as location of lost artifacts should be written and books and learned from reading them.

- That's a lot of UI that could be dedicated to many many books, or even a reference to all the masterworks personally made, i do not think that's a great idea since the maker is already referenced in the description of the object.

But then you have to look into each book in your library if you want to know how prolific a given dwarf is. Sometimes there are books written elsewhere, or by visitors, and you have to cross check everything unless you have perfect memory and know the name of every single dwarf in your fortress. Granted, you could say the same from every feature in DF (it's lacking proper UI) , but it is something to have in mind nonetheless.

- Agreed, it would be helpful, but i don't see how copies scribing the original's date would be relevant, its not wholly realistic at the minute with books containing information and each copy is own deviation of the original of the topic, despite not being a sequel according to the writer.

It would make easier to track copies, but it is not fundamentals. My grandfather had some very old books (a hundred or so years old) and they would have both the date of the original and the date of that copy. In DF there is no printing, everything is manuscript, but I think the same would apply to manuscripts books.

- Dwarves shouldn't hang out in the library if not reading or discussing topics.

- That's actually just because its a meeting zone underneath while the other locations have (mediation & socialise) activities, you can turn that off by just using a little exploit by turning the (i) meeting zone off before the location can register that the meeting zone s active.

Oh thanks, didn't notice that.

- Libraries' tables shouldn't be used as a place for dwarves to eat. Or maybe it could be some kind of offense punishable by Dwarven Justice?
- Visitors shouldn't take away original works unless they brought them themselves. They should make copies of the originals and be allowed to take them away, though.

These are just bugs that need ironing out, not really a suggestion as much as kind of publicly pointing it out to Toady to hopefully fix it.

Visitors write books and leave them there while in the fortress. I thought they would take books away as some kind of payment. Dwarves eating on every table available is so old I even stopped thinking about it as a bug.

- If Dwarves acquire books, they should read them and get a minor happy thought.
- Dwarves could read at tables, and they can use tables in their rooms.

Also great ideas!

[FantasticDorf]

A long time ago, dwarves used to have a economy between themselves, wages from coin piles and little payments on rooms & personal things that they bought. It would be nice if some of our spare books could be marked for being ready to distribute to shops or freed from the library to be owned personally a bit like a pet adoption by dwarves.

Again that'd take a whole couple of years-worth of progress towards the economy arc, and even then it is ambiguous whether shop workshops as they existed would ever return.

I remember that time. But even without a proper economy dwarves already get trinkets they like, the same could apply to books.

While this is true, you'd still need to designate which books aren't in use, it's the same to saying whether dwarves should be able to own and store weapons & armor personally paid for by themselves (so they can be closer to their bonded weapons perhaps), some form of distribution to explicitly mark it for a shop would be needed since dwarves running away with books and random goods like they do with absurdly valuable trinkets may affect the flow of fortress life more.

Think of how many games would be ruined by dwarves squirrelling away your weapons at embark for a big happy thought because we don't currently charge them for the luxury for some sort of recompensation on materials that matter.