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[Bumber]

Maybe he has low cha, but maxed out bluff and uses it on himself and everyone else.

[MrRoboto75]

Maybe he has low cha, but maxed out bluff and uses it on himself and everyone else.

I think his main audience just has low wis/low sense motive/actually want to believe what he says (circumstance bonus).

Look how often his lies have many holes or fold under even basic scrutiny.  They aren't good lies, but with who a con man usually targets, they don't really have to be.

[Naturegirl1999]

Interesting how a president can cause people to think of more DND stats to add

[Rolan7]

The SPECIAL system has always been superior to DND's utilitarian 6-stat system.  For those who can't help but overthink things.

Because Wis and Cha are complete nonsense.  They're both willpower, but technically only WIS governs willpower saves in 3.5.  Charisma got a save in 5e, but every stat did.  If Charisma is force of ego, what is willpower?

Wisdom is Perception.  Accurately seeing the natural world, as a druid or ranger.  Tying it into divine casting is a stretch that makes me uncomfortable.

[MrRoboto75]

Its the same way "Willpower" is considered an emotion according to Green Lanterns.

[Rolan7]

Having played many divine casters, including a Favored Soul, I have to wonder how divine magic works in DND.

The implication is that it's about Wisdom.  Perception.
That means a cleric is someone who "observes the rituals", right?
No!
That is someone who perceives the rituals, and knows how they work.  And executes them properly.  In just the right way.
The Gods observe and bless us, but their gaze is divided.

That's how I justify Wisdom for divine casting.
A con.

[scriver]

The SPECIAL system has always been superior to DND's utilitarian 6-stat system.  For those who can't help but overthink things.

Because Wis and Cha are complete nonsense.  They're both willpower, but technically only WIS governs willpower saves in 3.5.  Charisma got a save in 5e, but every stat did.  If Charisma is force of ego, what is willpower?

Wisdom is Perception.  Accurately seeing the natural world, as a druid or ranger.  Tying it into divine casting is a stretch that makes me uncomfortable.

Wisdom/Willpower is inwards/defensive willpower. Your sense of yourself.

Charisma is external willpower. The force you project on the world and others. They are as easily separateble as Strength and Constitution.

And wisdom isn't just perception. Yes, it covers your ability to use your senses. But it also covers, well, wisdom. To make a play with words -- not just the ability to sense the world but also to make sense of the world. The ability to come to greater understandings from smaller pieces.

[Rolan7]

I understand where you're coming from.  I really do.  But this:

And wisdom isn't just perception. Yes, it covers your ability to use your senses. But it also covers, well, wisdom. To make a play with words -- not just the ability to sense the world but also to make sense of the world. The ability to come to greater understandings from smaller pieces.

That's intelligence.  That's what it means to take perception data and build a theory/law.

[Egan_BW]

Intelligence in dnd very often means "reading books and doing math". It is having access to information more than using that information, um, intelligently.
Though to be honest there's a lot left up to interpretation. Like most of dnd...

[Rolan7]

Wisdom/Willpower is inwards/defensive willpower. Your sense of yourself.

Charisma is external willpower. The force you project on the world and others. They are as easily separateble as Strength and Constitution.

And this is also true.  Wis/willpower is the force of one's belief in their senses.  Some people don't trust their senses at all!  Other people keep a keen ear.

Charisma - I am not qualified, but I would say it is one's belief in ideas.
Which almost seems like a intelligence thing, but it very much isn't.

[Egan_BW]

Charisma saves are for when someone tries to banish you but instead you flip them the bird and scream FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

[Rolan7]

Charisma is external willpower. The force you project on the world and others. They are as easily separateble as Strength and Constitution.

And this is also true.  Wis/willpower is the force of one's belief in their senses.  Some people don't trust their senses at all!  Other people keep a keen ear.

Charisma - I am not qualified, but I would say it is one's belief in ideas.
Which almost seems like a intelligence thing, but it very much isn't.

Edit: also, something is really weird regarding posting. 

[Enemy post]

What is it? I was able to post normally.

[methylatedspirit]

The Pentium 4 exists in a limbo of obsolescence. Imagine a timeline with all the processors on it. To the left of it, you have the Pentium III, which is old enough to be considered retro. To the right of it, you have the legendary Core 2 series, which runs circles around the Pentium 4, and is nigh on compatible with any software that runs on a P4. When people want to play mid-to-late-2000s games on fully-compatible hardware, they always go for a Core 2. Never a P4.

This is why I use the Pentium 4 as the butt of jokes and as shorthand for "bad computer". It's an easy target, since it's been so overshadowed by its successor that no-one would be caught dead trying to defend this thing. It's joined the Hall of Room Heaters, right next to the AMD Bulldozer processors and the GTX 480.

[Yoink]

It occurred to me earlier that the phrase "saints and sinners", while sounding like a diverse mix of goody-goody types and absolute cads, is actually such a broad term as to describe literally everyone. 'Cause the only people who aren't sinners are literal saints, right, and even most saints probably have sinned at least a little at some point.   
I don't know exactly where I've heard the term "saints and sinners" in the past, but I feel like it probably gets misused a fair bit.   


...That's all. I've had a few random thoughts lately that I woulda kinda liked to post here, but I haven't gotten around to signing into Bay12 on my phone yet and it requires effort to trek to my computer just to shitpost. So I guess I just forget them.