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Author Topic: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"  (Read 305008 times)

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Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« Reply #405 on: November 12, 2019, 01:24:25 pm »


What would an AI have to be able to do for us to consider it human enough to deserve the rights we have?
My vote: For certain classes of rights, like the aforementioned right to own property, AI would have to also be able to take responsibility for its own actions, have to pay taxes, etc.
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« Reply #406 on: November 12, 2019, 01:47:43 pm »

At least with the current mindset, it would have to masquerade as a human for a relatively long time to establish both credibility and emotional connection. Coming out the gate with "It's just an AI" would automatically predispose people to think less of it, since most people's knowledge of AI is limited to chatbots or Siri.
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Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« Reply #407 on: November 12, 2019, 02:08:04 pm »

At least with the current mindset, it would have to masquerade as a human for a relatively long time to establish both credibility and emotional connection. Coming out the gate with "It's just an AI" would automatically predispose people to think less of it, since most people's knowledge of AI is limited to chatbots or Siri.
The fact that people either underestimate it or think it evil will definitely hinder progress. In Animatrix, a robot killed its owner since the human threatened to kill him. The court ruled against the robot because it was property. They didn’t even have the right to life, to defend themselves. Of course protests happened, the humans, predictably, proceeded to attack them, forcing them to flee to create a new nation. 01 asked to trade with the humans and join the UN, but the ambassadors were pushed out. The humans planned and succeeded in blocking out the sun, the main power source for the machines. The humans wanted all of them dead. The machines had to fight for their lives. Eventually, the humans stopped fighting, and the machines were able to power themselves using energy produced by the humans, thus a symbiotic relationship was born, machines ensured the humans’ survival and gave them a simulation of life before AI, and the humans would allow them to survive. Had the humans not blocked the sun, had the humans treated the machines with dignity and respect, this fate would not have happened.
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Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« Reply #408 on: November 12, 2019, 02:45:32 pm »

I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason

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« Reply #409 on: November 12, 2019, 02:48:23 pm »

I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason
What if mankind was building a Dyson Sphere around it?
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Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« Reply #410 on: November 12, 2019, 02:52:46 pm »

I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason
I’d hope so too. Considering we get energy from the sun indirectly(plants and animals)

I guess the humans in Animatrix and by extension, The Matrix, were just hellbent on trying to destroy the machines.

I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason
What if mankind was building a Dyson Sphere around it?
In Animatrix, they did this by flying smoking planes over 01, of course the smoke proceeded to spread to the entire sky, hence “the humans planned to destroy the sky”
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« Reply #411 on: November 12, 2019, 04:49:12 pm »

I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason

Eh, existence is overrated.
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« Reply #412 on: November 14, 2019, 06:19:31 am »

The whole human battery thing was a bit of a plot hole, so they papered over it by "blocking out the sun", which is still ridiculous, but slightly less so. Now, if only there was a way of harnessing atomic energy...
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Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« Reply #413 on: November 18, 2019, 01:47:05 pm »

People born before January 19th, 2020, will most likely have to prepare our systems for Y2038.

People born after will most likely have to patch the shit we missed.
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« Reply #414 on: November 18, 2019, 02:01:21 pm »

People born before January 19th, 2020, will most likely have to prepare our systems for Y2038.

People born after will most likely have to patch the shit we missed.

If I remember correctly, it's much smaller than the amount of work that went into preventing Y2K, plus lessons learned. On the other hand, the amount of work that fixed Y2K means nothing happened, so why spend money to fix it this time? [/bean counter]

Also, I don't remember what causes this one. Is it 2^something?
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« Reply #415 on: November 18, 2019, 02:17:59 pm »

People born before January 19th, 2020, will most likely have to prepare our systems for Y2038.

People born after will most likely have to patch the shit we missed.

If I remember correctly, it's much smaller than the amount of work that went into preventing Y2K, plus lessons learned. On the other hand, the amount of work that fixed Y2K means nothing happened, so why spend money to fix it this time? [/bean counter]

Also, I don't remember what causes this one. Is it 2^something?
Yup. Last positive number representable with 32-bit signed integer and rolls over into the negatives.
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Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« Reply #416 on: November 18, 2019, 02:57:46 pm »

I wish I could inform on a political scandal and have the press call me "two girls one cup" so that, much like "Deepthroat," people would have to learn about an infamous porno in school as part of history, and Kojima would include it as a codename in a future game
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« Reply #417 on: November 21, 2019, 04:19:13 pm »

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Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
« Reply #419 on: November 22, 2019, 07:54:57 am »

"English is a difficult language"

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