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GenericUser

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Questions about Wagons
« on: March 30, 2018, 01:42:36 pm »

So, all of my caravans had arrived from an inconvenient part of the map, so in an attempt to get them appear at a different location, I walled off the areas, and left a one tile wide bridge to allow for access. However, they still appear at that spot, with the message that the wagons had bypassed my inaccessible site. But, there is still a path for the wagons to be able to move to the depot. (I checked.)

Has this happened to anybody else? Or is this a feature, not a bug?
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2018, 03:19:28 pm »

Have you checked depot accessibility with the capitalized D key?

Wagons need three-tile-wide paths to reach your fortress.
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 03:36:23 pm »

Apparently wagons don't adjust their embark entrance points to account for your depot placement. I suspect they arrive at locations that had access to the embark wagon's location at the time of embark, but doesn't adjust that based on your crossing rivers, digging, building walls, and trees growing. If there IS a check, it's for a single tile patch access only.

As Pyrite said, 'D' is the tool to use to check depot access.
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2018, 03:56:21 pm »

Yep, it said that depot was accessible on that screen, but apparently half of the map is rendered inaccessible due to a river.
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 04:55:26 pm »

You may need to build a bridge then.
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2018, 07:39:01 pm »

I thought traders would adjust their positions? Maybe not?
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2018, 03:05:33 am »

I thought traders would adjust their positions? Maybe not?
My experience with moving over a river on a single tile bridge to dig down on the other side suggests they don't.
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2018, 05:55:08 am »

the wagons will enter randomly wherever there's a free 3x3 on the edge of your map. sometimes a little bit next to one of those spaces so that its possible for them to enter and immediately break on a tree. i'm not sure about the exact nuance here.

in any case, if you want to control where they appear, make a channel all around the map -- leaving only the place(s) where you want them un-channelled.

from there, run two or three 3x400ish tile entrance tunnels around the rim of your embark. these will suck in an entire siege if you engineer it so that you can switch them into 1200 long tunnel, preferable with shortcuts that make them dodge over a deep pit near the business end of the tunnels. equip that with single weapon weapon traps that you can block off and you have the start of something good ;)

once you have the materials, you can fence off the entire outside to guard against bowmen and start to take all fighting underground. don't bother with fortifications to attack anyone that's not had to walk at least the first 400 tiles or you take the risk that some guys won't ever come in.

extra points for putting your first furniture artifact just before the last bridge with a way to drop stuff onto any building destroyers admiring your stuff. that lets you cage them and insures that you can get out again with ease.

ok, got a little off-track here, but yeah, you can control where the wagons come with ease. give it a go. more extra points if you integrate the terrain and any water so that you keep the surface pristine and have a way to wash syndome yuck out of the tunnels.
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2018, 06:57:52 am »

You can generally force caravans to arrive at any point by restricting the "valid path to depot", but if there is a River flowing through your embark, they will often insist on arriving on one side of that river, no matter what you try to do.
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Re: Questions about Wagons
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2018, 07:21:58 am »

in any case, if you want to control where they appear, make a channel all around the map -- leaving only the place(s) where you want them un-channelled.

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