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Author Topic: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2994 B.C Revision  (Read 12010 times)

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Re: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2999 B.C Design
« Reply #60 on: April 08, 2018, 12:39:50 pm »

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Re: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2999 B.C Design
« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2018, 12:30:09 pm »

Is the thing supposed to be used effectively while the cart is moving, or is the cart used just for repositioning?

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« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2018, 02:03:39 pm »

Is the thing supposed to be used effectively while the cart is moving, or is the cart used just for repositioning?

I don't see why you couldn't theoretically fire it while moving, though I'm pretty sure you'd really only be able to fire it when facing backwards in such a case given it is pulled by horses and I don't think there would be much clearance to either side.  It's not a requirement if attempting to would increase difficulty level, though.
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Re: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2999 B.C Design
« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2018, 03:12:02 pm »

Flames of Horus - Using the knowledge of the Sun Staff, we mount six of them within a triad of thick discs, one just behind the area that fires, one in the middle, and one at the back.  The middle and backmost are placed on the inside of a wheel that is grooved to let them spin inside.  An S-shaped handle is attached to the back of the backmost disc that allows for an operator to spin the contraption, and a wedge is placed in the right area to activate a Sun Staff as it passes by, to fire when it reaches the apex.  This contraption is carried on the back of a "War" Chariot, attached via another free-spinning disc construct so the weapon can be turned to face different areas of the battlefield easily.

(Easy) (1,1) +1 =3 Buggy mess

Tie staves together, get concentrated fire. Mount on cart, get mobile concentrated fire. Sounds good? Maybe too good even…  you are forgetting an important detail. Staves are made to be used by hand, and a mechanism that can trigger them reliably isn’t trivial. Furthermore, you are not actually increasing the number of staves on the field, so unless you can tweak them to fire faster, you aren’t getting more shots.

You manage to cobble together a trigger pressing mechanism, activated by a handle on a rotating table. It works, but between the gears required for trigger pulling, the bulkiness of the frame and the unsuitability of the trigger for fast firing, the results are very underwhelming.  It does shoot, yes. But in the end the advantage compared to just giving the staves to 6 soldiers is minimal, and consists mostly of having all shots directed by a single mind and at a constant rate of fire, which would require exceptional training for your soldiers to pull off. Then again, it is a single big target. You suspect you will have to do more work on the trigger to make this a truly fearsome weapon of war.
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It is now Revision phase for 2999 B.C

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Re: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2999 B.C Revision
« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2018, 04:03:29 pm »

Better Chariots

Update the chariot cart to be a proper, more mobile war chariot with braces for archers. Armor it if there is time.
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« Reply #65 on: April 09, 2018, 04:21:47 pm »

Here's two options I see:

Modify the Chariots to use Shu Stones for levitation, still pulled by horses, to remove the problems with stability and speed.

Modify the Flames of Horus to be more conductive to outputting a higher volume of fire.
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« Reply #66 on: April 09, 2018, 04:33:02 pm »

So that brings our rolls to three 1s, three 2s, and a single 3 and 4. Maybe killing all the gods except knowledge was a bad plan... Did we break a god of mirrors somewhere along the way?

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« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2018, 12:38:13 am »

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Re: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2999 B.C Revision
« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2018, 12:40:19 am »


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Re: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2999 B.C Revision
« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2018, 01:28:46 am »

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Re: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2999 B.C Revision
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2018, 03:56:06 pm »

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(Hard) (2,2) -1 =3 Buggy mess

Now that you know how to open the staves without having them explode in your face, you set out to disassemble a few so you can test the interactions of sub components. But, well, it seems that recent experiences made the disciples you delegated the task to a bit overcautious.  It turns out that they started delegating tasks to lower disciples, which delegated to their chief servants and so on until slaves who couldn’t refuse were found. The long chain of command resulted in a lot of wasted time, so that it is only near the end of the year that you receive the disassembled staff heads which you requested.

Then, as you start cataloguing, arranging and sorting the components, your hopes for a quick solution evaporate as quickly as a jug of water struck by the might of a Sun cannon.  It seems to be, indeed, very complex with a great deal of subcomponents and connections. There is no way to finish the work this year, but now you have all the sub components you could ask for neatly arranged on your table. Dedicating yourselves to the task, it should be relatively straightforward to finally solve the puzzle.

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Re: Ancient arms race - Temple of Thoth - 2999 B.C Revision
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2018, 05:15:24 pm »

I am not entirely certain of my maths. I know I messed up the percentage the previous time and it was more likely than I suggested, but now, according to the site I am referencing on account of being lazy, the chance of getting a total of 20 or less from 10d6 is under 0.3%... I am not really sure what we have that could be sacrificed to improve our fortunes. Does anyone have any dirty limericks that might appease the fates?
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« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2018, 07:09:11 pm »

I am not entirely certain of my maths. I know I messed up the percentage the previous time and it was more likely than I suggested, but now, according to the site I am referencing on account of being lazy, the chance of getting a total of 20 or less from 10d6 is under 0.3%... I am not really sure what we have that could be sacrificed to improve our fortunes. Does anyone have any dirty limericks that might appease the fates?

System uses d4 not d6.
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« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2018, 07:54:03 pm »

System uses d4 not d6.
Ah, I see, okay...
2+4+2+1+1+3+2+1+1+1+2+2=22/12>1.8=under 2 is not great from a 2.5 standard.
4^12=16777216=lots of outcomes from 12d4...
Andthe odds are, umm, (gives up on doing the maths) ... about two-and-a-half percent?
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« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2018, 02:05:35 pm »

I forgot to mention, but in addition to the event, you also have to vote for the deployment of your National Effort. If you don't vote, I'll assume it will be deployed where it was last turn.
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