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[mispy]

For interesting raiding, look for a world that has: high savagery, successful and thriving civs, lots of elves, at least two dwarven civs, at least one tower, and ideally a longer history

What I've discovered so far:

Elves

• Elves in savage biomes will have many giant animals to steal, including awesome war-trainable stuff like giant tigers!
• Be warned: those animals will defend their sites! A herd of giant rhinoceroses can easily destroy even legendary warriors
• Be extra warned: they will also use those animals in ambush counterattacks. We barely survived one involving dozens of elves on giant war elephants...

Dwarves

• You can attack another dwarven civ to steal their artifacts
• This will provoke war: you can get sieged by other dwarves in this version
• The more dwarves and the longer the history, the more interesting artifacts exist in the world (including steel weapons!)
• You can even attack your own retired fortresses if they're from another civ

Goblins

• Demon leaders will defend their dark fortresses personally and are very challenging to fight
• Raiding gobbo civs that tamed them may be the only way to get fully domesticated cave dragons (haven't tested this)
• In a very rare and amazing edge case, it's possible to end up with a demon joining your fort as a citizen

Humans

• Not usually that interesting to raid in comparison to the other civs
• Probably best to keep them as your peaceful buddies for trading and visitors

Towers

• You can steal books containing the secrets of life and death from them
• Free immortality for everyone!

General

• War animals assigned to squad members will participate in missions! (you can send those giant elephants right back to destroy the elves)
• The default stealth raid option trains Ambusher skill for the whole squad

[DoktaYut]

A few that might warrant adding in general, though not quite confirmed on my end
* Be careful when telling anyone to raze a site, they can overextend themselves and end up killed/imprisoned when pillaging would have resulted in a curbstomp in your squad's favor.
* Trolls don't count towards population, so be careful there when sieging goblins because I can and have found settlements with two trolls per goblin
* There may be a bug with trying to recover prisoners at goblin sites, in that the prisoners will fight on the goblins' side and probably die.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Remember the demon came from raiding a human site where it had been kept prisoner. Dorfs won't just pick up Llama Demons along with the livestock.

[MorsDux]

A few that might warrant adding in general, though not quite confirmed on my end
* Be careful when telling anyone to raze a site, they can overextend themselves and end up killed/imprisoned when pillaging would have resulted in a curbstomp in your squad's favor.
* Trolls don't count towards population, so be careful there when sieging goblins because I can and have found settlements with two trolls per goblin
* There may be a bug with trying to recover prisoners at goblin sites, in that the prisoners will fight on the goblins' side and probably die.

I raided a goblin capital with 100ish reported goblins, had 540 extra trolls too (but no beak dogs)

[Bumber]

Can you raid kobolds for easy GCS and helmet snakes?

[Shonai_Dweller]

Can you raid kobolds for easy GCS and helmet snakes?

Are they still hidden on the civ map? Don't recall seeing any. Might just be missing them though.

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Ok, checked that. You can't select them for a raid (they're hidden), but a cave will show up in the list of artifacts if its the last known location.

[Jazz Cat]

What else trains the ambusher skill other than stealth raids and hunting?

On a related note, I remember hearing rumors that a failed stealth raid often ends with your dwarves going in a murderampage at the raid site. There some speculation that when they get spotted, they adopt the "We won't be seen if there's no one left alive to see us" philosophy.

[Insert_Gnome_Here]

I think it's more that they get spotted far behind enemy lines, and figure they have those bloody gobbos surrounded from the inside.

[Jazz Cat]

Hey, actual question on raiding here: If you raid a goblin site, and steal a bunch of their pet trolls, can you end up with domesticated creatures that you wouldn't otherwise be able to domesticate as part of your fort?

[Shonai_Dweller]

Hey, actual question on raiding here: If you raid a goblin site, and steal a bunch of their pet trolls, can you end up with domesticated creatures that you wouldn't otherwise be able to domesticate as part of your fort?

They don't steal trolls. Only beakdogs.
Are beakdogs not trainable if you catch them during sieges?

[PatrikLundell]

Hey, actual question on raiding here: If you raid a goblin site, and steal a bunch of their pet trolls, can you end up with domesticated creatures that you wouldn't otherwise be able to domesticate as part of your fort?

They don't steal trolls. Only beakdogs.
Are beakdogs not trainable if you catch them during sieges?

According to the wiki, beak dogs are not trainable (although the wiki has been wrong in the past). A more significant issue with siege beak dogs is that they're enemies, not "animals". As far as I understand you can't tame human invader horses either (I've never been at war with humans or elves, so I have no personal experience if this). I've seen plenty of beak dogs though, since they (re)appeared.

[MorsDux]

Does anyone have some luck with eradicating goblins? They have an annoying habit of rehabitating previously raided settlements.

[Bumber]

Hey, actual question on raiding here: If you raid a goblin site, and steal a bunch of their pet trolls, can you end up with domesticated creatures that you wouldn't otherwise be able to domesticate as part of your fort?

They don't steal trolls. Only beakdogs.
Are beakdogs not trainable if you catch them during sieges?

According to the wiki, beak dogs are not trainable (although the wiki has been wrong in the past). A more significant issue with siege beak dogs is that they're enemies, not "animals". As far as I understand you can't tame human invader horses either (I've never been at war with humans or elves, so I have no personal experience if this). I've seen plenty of beak dogs though, since they (re)appeared.

Some behavior may have changed in the very latest patch:

To get the full fix for stolen livestock, old saves will need to add [PET] to beak dogs and unicorns. This isn't crucial; if it isn't done, those animals will no longer be stolen in that save. But if you were experiencing the bug, the existing animals will be broken until the tag is added.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Does anyone have some luck with eradicating goblins? They have an annoying habit of rehabitating previously raided settlements.

You'll never wipe out the goblins with raiders except maybe in a tiny pocket world with a reduced goblin civ specifically tailored to make yourself feel good by "wiping out the goblins".

Armies are coming right up, much more efficient than tiny raiding squads. Although even then, just as the rest of df worlds work, "taking over" other civilizations is much more likely than genocide.

[MorsDux]

I am playing on a large world. Maybe after culling the majority of their populations I could divide my soldiers in 100 squads and keep resending them to all the goblin sites where refugees could apear? Like a crude way of patrolling? I could even make a macro for it and do it every month in game.