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[Doomblade187]

Research Phase 3.

Spoiler: Units (click to show/hide)

Veloci: 8 foot tall flesh automaton raptors with arm-wings, upgraded claws, and a crystal bite. Their bodies are covered in feathers, and they may get caught up in combat.
Ressurectionists: normal height creatures composed of spare parts with Lightcrystal wings, sharp Lightcrystal claws and bright blue eyes. They tend towards hit and run tactics.
Archangel: An angelic being shrouded in impenetrable light, this creature's brightness is overshadowed only by its shielding magic.

Spoiler: Equipment (click to show/hide)

Lightcrystal Talons: Toughened claws made of Lightcrystal.
Lightcrystal Wings: Toughened crystal wings with small sharp edges on them.
Ambasse Telemena: Three-layer Mithril plate. It shines in the light of your home plane with a silvery sheen.

Spoiler: Magic (click to show/hide)

Innate Air Magic: you know flying magic.
Shielding: you have a strong base in shielding magic.

Spoiler: Tactics (click to show/hide)

Swoop: where the units fall upon their targets from above, aiming to deal damage and then fly away for another pass.

Spoiler: General Knowledge (click to show/hide)

Mithril: A divine metal, about as strong as bronze but half as heavy, only you and your master know the secrets to its creation.
Light Crystals: Solidified light, making for strong gem-like weapons that are sharp but brittle.
Burning Light: Magical light that subsumes all in its path, leaving only scorch marks and empty space.
Flesh Golems: you know how to make Frankenstein monsters.
Angelic Beings: You know how to make angelic beings.
Natural Weapons: you know how to make decent natural weapons.

[TamerVirus]

We have: -Skirmish
               -Air Superiority
               -Heavy Foot Infantry
               -Armor
               -Piercing/Slashing weaponry
               -Defensive 'Tank' (Archangel)

We lack: -Ranged weaponry/Artillery
              -Healing support
              -Complex Battlefield Tactics
              -Blunt weaponry

[Detoxicated]

Veloci Battle Mage
From an early age the aspiring youngsters are chosen and trained to become elites amongst their kin. They are trained in clawed martial art to shape their bodies like Mithril and then they are trained in healing magic. They use chants to channel healing spirits, more complicated spells are done with chants and dances.

[Madman198237]

Well, this DOES assume we're going to see something even SIMILAR to medieval/gunpowderless combat, but to fight a battle we need:

1. Skirmish Force
-Wear down the enemy before engagement, cripple poorly-protected enemy units (i.e., unarmored archers, artillery pieces and their crewmen)
+ Archers, missile cavalry, light cavalry
2. Fixing Force
-Once battle is joined, hold the enemy in place. It's preferable if you also break their formation (i.e., use a wedge shaped frontline so the enemy doesn't maintain a good shield wall, and faces inwards rather than outwards).
+ Pikemen or anyone with a shield.
3. Shock Force
-Once the enemy is held in place, flank them with shock units and smash their exposed flanks.
+ Heavy cavalry, sometimes well-armored infantry with two-handed weapons for the faster attack and heavier punch.


Alternatively, we can go straight to "medieval knights" and equip every unit we deploy with full Mithril plate and a polearm or kriegsmesser (Probably misspelled German for "war knife", very shape, very large sword meant to cut through soft armors) of some sort, and let formation sort itself out. Basically, when wearing plate armor, you don't need a shield and you don't need to keep the enemy away from you, you just take the hits (without feeling much of anything) and keep killing.
In this second case, our lineup looks a little more like

1. Skirmish Force
- Same as above
2. Fixing Force
- Did you think you were getting away without regular infantry? These guys basically keep the enemy from overwhelming your primary combatants.
+ Might be spearmen, might be pikemen (pikes preferred), might be just a bunch of guys with munition armor instead of full plate. Either way, they keep the numbers from getting too much in your enemies' favor, basically just holding the enemy in place (if he moves wrong he gets impaled) and letting the knights kill and retire (plate is really, really hot to wear for extended periods of time, and plate-armored soldiers need to back off to rest and cool down in extended engagements)
3. Shock Infantry
- Same as described above
4. Shock Cavalry
- Kind of excessive given what the primary force is, sometimes you might bring lancers, which aren't quite as well-armored as the knights, but still make use of the force of a charge to make it harder for the enemy to fight.

Either way, we're missing non-integrated weaponry for our soldiers, and we're missing mounted shock units (or equivalents). Also, we don't actually have any sort of ranged weapon, just magic that we can't utilize yet.

[TamerVirus]

We should keep in mind that we don't have any idea how effective, efficient, or costly our current designs are at this moment

[Madman198237]

We will after this turn, though. So, we might as well assume they've succeeded, since any other assumption isn't going to work very well at all.

[Glass]

Air superiority is far more effective when we can use that to rain death from above. Should we use lasers, guns, bows, spears, or something else? I'm personally thinking the first one; easier to have a reason that they can be reloaded without eventually having to come down for more ammunition.

[Madman198237]

We should definitely just use the burning-light beams for ranged weapons, though indirect ranged fire (i.e., can be utilized from behind our ground-forces lines) will also be useful.

However, flying ranged fighters can't win every battle. Not in, say, the Earth realm, and not after they learn to carry shields or wear armor or some such. Either way, what tactics should we use? Alternatives welcome.

[Shadowclaw777]

Well Artillery/indirect fire is always great to have access and the idea of monstrous creature being the support mounts for things like ballistaes and catapults has a possibility. Also chariots are really effective shock unit, but don’t expect it to be good in constant melee and we could get those. I mean I have two ideas for designs and/or revisions we could have

Research: Monstrous Reptiles
Many things of mythology have originated from the reptile derivative, such as dragons, war hydras which both have amphibian+serpentine creatures, to even just really large scaled vertebrates, heck even really dragon turtles. The divine god of Order designated their arcane focus on understanding more of the intricacies of large variants of these dry-scaled creatures and of their functioning to how to create them. The role of all of these creatures,  since usually they are of the very large creature variety really only single folds into two roles, that of being shock and direct melee engagers. However some of these creature are perfect for mounting specific war machines on.

Design: Angelic Artificers
Based on the Thevyrns, these are smaller variants of the archangel but built with fine hand manipulation and obsidian-colored eyes, and have the skilled knowledge of construction magic and the art of artifice. They wear silken robes and have a greyish tiny to their angelic skin, and are imprinted with a wide array of knowledge. The current version of them are golemsmiths and can create flesh automatons like the Ressurectionist and Veloci with their own hands, and are still smiths and can crafts and utilize weapons of war.

Reptiles just doesn’t directly correlate to things like dinosaurs, but it has versatility in its usefulness because of many associated creatures that is of the reptilia family, can provide many uses on the battlefield, but usually in the fear-causing shock role.

[Madman198237]

Chariots are not good for shock warfare, not really. Too much weight on the horse(s) and too clumsy, and they can't turn around and get out of the fight after the charge. Single riders on horses and/or a horse-and-rider equivalent (not necessarily a centaur, a larger and fast creature capable of wearing armor and carrying weapons, or being naturally armored and having natural weapons, would likely work just as well, if not better.

[Glass]

SC, while that may be a good thing for later, arming our flyers with range should be the first priority. It's just better synergy with what we have right now. Any ground troops should more likely be made to distract from our air guys.

[Shadowclaw777]

Than why aren’t we designing either a longbow?, or a recurve bow?

Also it’s research, meant to make the more advanced designs less difficult.

[Glass]

Than why aren’t we designing either a longbow?, or a recurve bow?

Because we're designing laser staves instead.

Let's just get a votebox in here...

Laser staves: Glass, Madman

Anyone else want to add stuff, go ahead.

[Madman198237]

Laser staves: (1) Glass
Thevryn: (1) Madman

I'll repost the design when I'm not busy, but suffice to say that I think we ought to invent Thevryn first so we know the roll by next turn. We can worry about the lasers (which might count as a revision, and should certainly be fairly easy) next turn.

[Shadowclaw777]

Well their are a few questions that need to be determined with laser staffs. One is it a “beam” of energy, or does it shoot just like energy pulses out of the crystal orb from the staff. Another one is what is the desired range values?, if it shot out a “beam” of energy than it should have close-moderate range but a lot more armor-piercing + damage properties, while a staff that just shot out pulse bolts of energy would have a greater effective range like up to 100m. Finally is the desired energy battery type it would have, essentially how much “laser” time or bolt could it shoot out before the light crystal orb would have to recharge/be replaced.

I guess it would be the beam variety since it’s based on the Scoring Light knowledge we have