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Design
NAF-LAB-51 "Eagle" Airship (2): Chiefwaffles, 10ebbor10
NAF-LAB-51b "Eagle" Airship (Variant B) (1): Chiefwaffles
NAF-BC-51 "Rabid" (2): Mandemon, khang
NAF-UH-51 "Draft" (1): Chiefwaffles
NAF-LCSR-51 "Wolf" (3): Kot, NUKE9.13, frostgiant, Stabby
NAF-SS-51 "Scorpion"-class submarine (1): Sosoku234,
Design Sold to America

[frostgiant]

Design
NAF-LAB-51 "Eagle" Airship (2): Chiefwaffles, 10ebbor10
NAF-LAB-51b "Eagle" Airship (Variant B) (1): Chiefwaffles
NAF-BC-51 "Rabid" (2): Mandemon, khang
NAF-UH-51 "Draft" (1): Chiefwaffles
NAF-LCSR-51 "Wolf" (3): Kot, NUKE9.13, frostgiant, Stabby
NAF-SS-51 "Scorpion"-class submarine (1): Sosoku234,
Design Sold to America

Forgot to change the number counter.

Design
NAF-LAB-51 "Eagle" Airship (2): Chiefwaffles, 10ebbor10
NAF-LAB-51b "Eagle" Airship (Variant B) (1): Chiefwaffles
NAF-BC-51 "Rabid" (2): Mandemon, khang
NAF-UH-51 "Draft" (1): Chiefwaffles
NAF-LCSR-51 "Wolf" (4): Kot, NUKE9.13, frostgiant, Stabby
NAF-SS-51 "Scorpion"-class submarine (1): Sosoku234,
Design Sold to America

[Chiefwaffles]

Design
NAF-LAB-51 "Eagle" Airship (1): 10ebbor10
NAF-LAB-51b "Eagle" Airship (Variant B) (1):
NAF-BC-51 "Rabid" (2): Mandemon, khang
NAF-UH-51 "Draft" (1): Chiefwaffles
NAF-LCSR-51 "Wolf" (4): Kot, NUKE9.13, frostgiant, Stabby
NAF-SS-51 "Scorpion"-class submarine (1): Sosoku234,
Design Sold to America

For the record, I still like and want the Eagle (either variant). But considering it has (had?) two votes and two certian people have been consistently yelling at me to stop having >1 vote, I'll remove my vote for it. Instead, I'll try and convince people to vote for the Draft:


Vote for the Draft! It's practical and surprisingly probably not that hard!
Turboshaft helicopters are just becoming a thing right about now. Helicopters are already mass produced, and of course turboshafts aren't a new thing. We wouldn't be embarking on a huge challenge with the Draft.

Furthermore, troop transport. Perhaps Toskesh's number one advantage. It's the reason they tied us in the Fjords and a significant factor in the Badlands. They have fast amphibious hovercrafts to move their soldiers around. We have literally nothing. A helicopter is an extremely versatile and fast way of moving our soldiers around and getting around obstacles on land, helping us everywhere.
Helicopters have combat capabilities, even if unarmored (the Draft wouldn't be great at combat but it'd be certainly useful until they develop AA, and probably somewhat useful afterwards). The value of aerial NMGs shooting below can be pretty great, especially at a stage when the enemy lacks anti-air and automatic weapons.
Also a factor is TC. Next turn if we hold the Badlands and Mountains we will need an extra TC to import the ore bonus we get. Having a helicopter should get us an air TC, and thus that ore, doing things like making the Paradigm just Expensive and helping us significantly in the future.

Also coolness. It's a helicopter! They're cool!

[Happerry]

Airship or Helicopter, both give TC and start leading us into air power. I did think we were going to do the machine gun this turn though?

Design
NAF-LAB-51 "Eagle" Airship (2): 10ebbor10, Happerry
NAF-LAB-51b "Eagle" Airship (Variant B) (1):
NAF-BC-51 "Rabid" (2): Mandemon, khang
NAF-UH-51 "Draft" (2): Chiefwaffles, Happerry
NAF-LCSR-51 "Wolf" (4): Kot, NUKE9.13, frostgiant, Stabby
NAF-SS-51 "Scorpion"-class submarine (1): Sosoku234,
Design Sold to America

[NUKE9.13]

The NMG will be our revision, basically no matter how the design goes.

Anyway, change of heart, switch my vote back to the Draft. Three things matter in both war and selling houses: location, location, location. And copters get you to the right location.

[10ebbor10]

I don't think Airship is the way to go. It's not rigid

It is rigid. I changed it.

and it's unarmored, so any sort of flak round will fuck it up.

Armor on an airship is a bad idea. It just doesn't work. You can not meaningfully armor the airship without turning it into an unmoveable unit.

On the other hand, flak really isn't as big an issue as you make it seem. An airship is quite big, which means it can sustain a few hits.

Hydrogen is also an issue, since it's quite flammable.

Not that great of an issue, unless the enemy has a plane equivalent to provide concentrated fire.

It also lacks bomb sights

I may add that if you want it.

four engines doesn't sound enough to give it enough speed to avoid anti-air fire.

The Hindenburg has 4 engines and a top speed of 135 km/h. It all depends on the size of the engine.

Combine with the fact that it's otherwise unarmed, as soon as enemy makes any sort of flying fighting craft it will lose it's dominance.

I also bet $5 that will be National Effort level of cost, since it's so massive.

The vast majority of it is empty space. In actually tonnage, it's a fraction of our destroyer.

1.) Making a secondary "b" variant of the Eagle, below. This variant is just 100m long, removes mention of the Ironcasters (to be safe), and is semi-rigid again. I'm okay with either, but hopefully others hate this variant less.

Bad idea. 100 meters is way too small. It won't carry a meaningful amount of anything.

[Mandemon]

Armor on an airship is a bad idea. It just doesn't work. You can not meaningfully armor the airship without turning it into an unmoveable unit.

On the other hand, flak really isn't as big an issue as you make it seem. An airship is quite big, which means it can sustain a few hits.

Unless said flak sets something on fire and airships are pretty big targets to hit, so they are going to be hit by a lot more fire.

Also, just to note about armoring airship... we just made a walking tank. :/

But more seriously, I do not see how this ship could be anything else except National Effort, it's about the size of Zeppelin (only slightly smaller) and based on Zeppelins data, even our destroyer is smaller. And that is Very Expensive.

[Sosoku234]

Armor on an airship is a bad idea. It just doesn't work. You can not meaningfully armor the airship without turning it into an unmoveable unit.

On the other hand, flak really isn't as big an issue as you make it seem. An airship is quite big, which means it can sustain a few hits.

But more seriously, I do not see how this ship could be anything else except National Effort, it's about the size of Zeppelin (only slightly smaller) and based on Zeppelins data, even our destroyer is smaller. And that is Very Expensive.

Aye, but you also have to take into account how much goes into a destroyer. A Zeppelin will still cost less overall than any destroyer die to the relative ease of gathering the parts and materials required for it to be built. Not matter how long it is. It is literally just a metal frame and several balloons filled with hydrogen and a coupe observation decks with room for small armament, high ordinance explosives, and engines we can salvage from the Locus. I'd say that it'd probably be less expensive than anything else we have for vehicular transportation.

[10ebbor10]

But more seriously, I do not see how this ship could be anything else except National Effort, it's about the size of Zeppelin (only slightly smaller) and based on Zeppelins data, even our destroyer is smaller. And that is Very Expensive.

It's big, but size isn't everything. The vast, vast majority of the airship's size is directed to lift generating gasbags, which shouldn't be that expensive.

To compare, the Graf Zeppelin (230 meters length, 30 meter diameter) had a usefull lift of just 60 tonnes. In comparison, our destroyer has a displacement of 1100 tonnes.

[Mandemon]

Armor on an airship is a bad idea. It just doesn't work. You can not meaningfully armor the airship without turning it into an unmoveable unit.

On the other hand, flak really isn't as big an issue as you make it seem. An airship is quite big, which means it can sustain a few hits.

But more seriously, I do not see how this ship could be anything else except National Effort, it's about the size of Zeppelin (only slightly smaller) and based on Zeppelins data, even our destroyer is smaller. And that is Very Expensive.

Aye, but you also have to take into account how much goes into a destroyer. A Zeppelin will still cost less overall than any destroyer die to the relative ease of gathering the parts and materials required for it to be built. Not matter how long it is. It is literally just a metal frame and several balloons filled with hydrogen and a coupe observation decks with room for small armament, high ordinance explosives, and engines we can salvage from the Locus. I'd say that it'd probably be less expensive than anything else we have for vehicular transportation.

But more seriously, I do not see how this ship could be anything else except National Effort, it's about the size of Zeppelin (only slightly smaller) and based on Zeppelins data, even our destroyer is smaller. And that is Very Expensive.

It's big, but size isn't everything. The vast, vast majority of the airship's size is directed to lift generating gasbags, which shouldn't be that expensive.

To compare, the Graf Zeppelin (230 meters length, 30 meter diameter) had a usefull lift of just 60 tonnes. In comparison, our destroyer has a displacement of 1100 tonnes.

It's not just about lift, it's also about the super structure and everything else. Our destroyer is mostly wood with some armor bolted on and two gun. It's a fucking steamboat. It doesn't matter how the lift is generated, what matters is how much resources will be spend constructing the superstructure. And it will be a lot.

[10ebbor10]

I highly doubt our destroyer is wood. Metal steamboats exists, and ours is described as reasonably well armored. You can't do that with a bit of wood.

There's not that much metal in a zepellin, or it simply wouldn't get of the ground.

[Kot]

Yeah, but you're using an alloy which we probably also will have to make, and only because of that it's not too heavy.

[Chiefwaffles]

Switching Nuke’s vote as per his request.

Design
NAF-LAB-51 "Eagle" Airship (2): 10ebbor10, Happerry
NAF-BC-51 "Rabid" (2): Mandemon, khang
NAF-UH-51 "Draft" (3): Chiefwaffles, Happerry, NUKE9.13
NAF-LCSR-51 "Wolf" (3): Kot, frostgiant, Stabby
NAF-SS-51 "Scorpion"-class submarine (1): Sosoku234,
Design Sold to America

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[stabbymcstabstab]

Design
NAF-LAB-51 "Eagle" Airship (2): 10ebbor10, Happerry
NAF-BC-51 "Rabid" (2): Mandemon, khang
NAF-UH-51 "Draft" (4): Chiefwaffles, Happerry, NUKE9.13, Stabby
NAF-LCSR-51 "Wolf" (2): Kot, frostgiant,
NAF-SS-51 "Scorpion"-class submarine (1): Sosoku234,
Design Sold to America

Switching per Chiefwaffles' request and that a heli is smart then a anti-tank rifle and a airship.

[Talion]

Design
NAF-LAB-51 "Eagle" Airship (2): 10ebbor10, Happerry
NAF-BC-51 "Rabid" (2): Mandemon, khang
NAF-UH-51 "Draft" (5): Chiefwaffles, Happerry, NUKE9.13, Stabby, Talion
NAF-LCSR-51 "Wolf" (2): Kot, frostgiant
NAF-SS-51 "Scorpion"-class submarine (1): Sosoku234,

Design Sold to America
NAF-AFW-51 "Hippo" Hexapod (1): Talion