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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #270 on: January 22, 2018, 02:34:18 am »

Ah.
Well, I still think revising the Draft's engine is the better choice. Improves its troop/Duke/whatnot lifting capabilities and get us that +1 Ore we got last turn. The +1 Ore will make the Herald-class and Paradigm Expensive. An expensive Paradigm is vaguely nice but not necessary, but an expensive Herald will be huge at seas when both sides just have one semi-identical ship. It also just helps in the future.
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #271 on: January 22, 2018, 02:38:54 am »

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #272 on: January 22, 2018, 02:39:56 am »

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #273 on: January 22, 2018, 02:47:02 am »

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #274 on: January 22, 2018, 07:13:39 am »

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #275 on: January 22, 2018, 11:02:25 am »

I guess I throw my hat with the Shire.

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #276 on: January 22, 2018, 12:51:07 pm »

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #277 on: January 22, 2018, 03:29:28 pm »

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #278 on: January 22, 2018, 05:30:02 pm »

BTW, reminder to people: We have until strategy phase to post our arguments for Wictor. We are currently in revision phase and it seems that Toskesh has consensus on what they want to do, so deadline is coming up soon.

 If you have any posts/arguments, post them. Do not worry if you are repeating points that have been made, the best posts are selected. This means more we have better chance there is we get a good post.
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #279 on: January 22, 2018, 06:09:12 pm »

Reposting here just to make sure correct version is here.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the United Nations.

As has come to our attentions that our fair nation has been accused of violating the Geneva Conventions on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May Be Deemed to Be Excessively Injurious, Have Indiscriminate Effects, or Greatly Enable and Encourage the Pursuant of Armed Conflicts Between Nations , Protocol VI.

Nogrania rejects these accusations strongly and categorically. Nogrania seeks not to violate international law, and instead seeks to work with and within its confines. Nogrania has, and will continue, to uphold the conventions.

The argument laid by our detractors is of nature of a weapon system nicknamed Wictor, that is used by Nogranian Armed Forces. Claim is that this weapon violates the Protocol VI, by the virtue of firing rapidly. Yet, I shall call attention to the fact that rate of fire of weapon system is not defined within Protocol VI. Instead, Protocol VI defines automatic weapon as that which “fires greater than one projectile per activation of the device” without requiring active manual input.

It does not define rate of fire. A trained marksman can operate a semi-automatic rifle at extreme rate of fire, yet would this council ban such weapon based on individual soldier? Is the users personal skill and ability factor in defining whenever or not weapon is to be considered automatic? I say no. Individual soldiers skills are far too varied to be categorized into illegal or legal framework.

And this brings us to main point of contention. Wictor is a semi-automatic weapon, with a trigger that requires input to start an activation. Each activation fires once projectile. No more, no less. One projectile. Combined with this legal trigger is the hand crank with four spokes, that strike the trigger as crank is turned. Each 90 degrees turn requires different action to be carried out. user is constantly required to change the movement of their hand to maintain fire.

Wictor requires more action from the user than a semi-automatic rifle. User is required to turn the crank 90 degrees in order to activate the weapon, each activation requiring further 90 degrees turns. It is up to the user to run the crank, to run the weapon, fast enough to provide suppressive fire. If a soldier were to, for example, be able to empty a semi-automatic pistols 30 round magazine in 2 seconds, that would mean fire rate of 15 rounds per second, total of 450 rounds per minute. Would this tribuna declare such weapon illegal? Does this tribunal declare a human being illegal?

The rate of fire of the hypothetical weapon, as well as very concrete Wictor, comes not from the weapon itself, but from the ability of user to carry out rapid activations. The weapon fires only a single projectile per action. It is up to user to run the device fast enough to reach desired fire rate.

As such, based on logic and letter of the law, Wictor does not violate Protocol VI.
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 5, Spring 1952
« Reply #280 on: January 22, 2018, 06:23:37 pm »


Revision: NAF-TS-52 "Shire"

The new improved TS-52 Shire is essentially an effort to improve the TS-51 Shire to the point of "not absolutely awful" when compared with modern turboshaft engines. While we aim to just generally improve the engine, the main goal here is to make the fuel economy also "not absolutely awful" and fix minor flaws such as flaming out in the rain. The new version will of course be retrofit onto the Draft.

We largely hope to achieve 1 TC capacity in the Draft with the new Shires equipped, and to spend less on fuel.

Hard Difficulty: 6

The NAF-TS-52 "Shire" is a more modern version of our turboshaft engine, featuring a few very solid improvements over the previous iteration.

Key improvements such as smarter compressors and fuel nozzles, internal flow streamlining, and more efficient exhaust disposal means our new turboshaft is not only makes greater use of the fuel it consumes, but can consume pretty much any available fuel we have on-hand.  Petrol, diesel, aviation fuel, and kerosene can be run through the engine without damaging it (though with differing levels of horsepower).  This reliability also means that small amounts of moisture can be sucked into the air intakes without completely shutting down the engine, although operations in heavy rain is not advised.

The Draft does not see any boost in lifting power, but the improved fuel economy means it now costs 1 less Oil.  Unfortunately, the Draft is not well suited for TC operations; even with the upgraded turboshafts, it's slower than plane, less efficient than truck, and does not have the tremendous cargo capacity of ships.  We would require something closer to a tandem-rotor troop transporter in order to have enough cargo capacity to function as a TC, or a much, much stronger turboshaft. 1 Oil, 1 Cobalt.



It is now the strategy phase.  Please include a link to your War Crimes Council Statement in the vote box so I don't have to dig for all of them!

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 3, Autumn 1951
« Reply #281 on: January 22, 2018, 06:33:31 pm »

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ATTACK:
Mountains (1): Mandemon
swamp(through badlands) (0):
Fjords (1):Mandemon

Hero deployment:
Mountains (0):
Badlands (1):Mandemon
Fjords (0):

Defense:
Mandemon
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 3, Autumn 1951
« Reply #282 on: January 22, 2018, 06:40:32 pm »


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ATTACK:
Mountains (2): Mandemon, frostgiant
swamp(through badlands) (0):
Fjords (2):Mandemon, frostgiant

Hero deployment:
Mountains (0):
Badlands (2):Mandemon, frostgiant
Fjords (0):

Defense:
Mandemon
Frostgiant
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 3, Autumn 1951
« Reply #283 on: January 23, 2018, 05:58:34 am »

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ATTACK:
Mountains (3): Mandemon, frostgiant, NUKE9.13
swamp(through badlands) (0):
Fjords (3):Mandemon, frostgiant, NUKE9.13

Hero deployment:
Mountains (0):
Badlands (3):Mandemon, frostgiant, NUKE9.13
Fjords (0):

Defense:
Mandemon
Frostgiant
NUKE9.13
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Nogrania - Turn 3, Autumn 1951
« Reply #284 on: January 23, 2018, 06:08:22 am »

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ATTACK:
Mountains (4): Mandemon, frostgiant, NUKE9.13, 10ebbor10
swamp(through badlands) (0):
Fjords (4):Mandemon, frostgiant, NUKE9.13, 10ebbor10

Hero deployment:
Mountains (0):
Badlands (4):Mandemon, frostgiant, NUKE9.13, 10ebbor10
Fjords (0):

Defense:
Mandemon
Frostgiant
NUKE9.13
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