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Author Topic: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Toskesh - GAME OVER  (Read 47280 times)

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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Toskesh - Turn 6, Summer 1952
« Reply #240 on: January 25, 2018, 11:04:00 pm »

Partially Electric Sniper/Heavy Defence Ordnance for Field-use and Fortresses.
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The P.E.S.H.D.O.F.F. Is a heavy 12mm long-range high-accuracy rifle featuring several electronic components. An electronic magazine is more easily refilled while an alternate electric conveyor magazine feeds ammunition in via a series of cogs and can be reloaded while firing by an assistant inserting ammunition into an open funnel. There is an electric feed to the replaceable sites. The primary element is the electric trigger, which consists of a ring rather than a claw, which registers(light sensors, charged bearings, steel wool... whatever, someone more familiar with electronics could come up with many period-appropriate sensors...) motions through the mid-point of the trigger's motion arc both forwards and backwards allowing it to fire both on the pressure and release, but retains a spring to return it to a forwards position. There are two such triggers, one at each grip, which send trigger signals to the firing mechanism, which stores a buffer of up to 5 triggers and empties the buffer as shots are fired, preventing excessive firing speeds interrupting their smooth operation.

It comes with a crank-generator and rechargeable battery/capacitor that can be carried on a belt and attached by a cable to provide power.
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The D.R.U.M.R. is a modification to the 25mm Type-51 to incorporate the electronic innovations of the P.E.S.H.D.O.F.F. to implement a conveyor-pressurised drum magazine with an open slot, support for electric sites, and whatever else seems appropriate, but primarily it features an alternate implementation of the same electronic triggering mechanism. The triggers themselves are a pair of buttons that can be pressed to increment the internal signal buffer, which stores up to 20000 signals. Not wanting to leave such a powerful weapon to conventional safety systems, we have implemented an additional "deead-man's switch" safety measure in the form of two other buttons, at least one of which must be continuously depressed in order to allow the buffer to clear. Otherwise pressing the trigger will be unable to fire, simply contributing to the internal buffer harmlessly. So they can hold down the safety button and then fire by "drumming" upon the trigger buttons.

In further news, we are pleased to announce some "office toys" being distributed to vehicle crews. The Pecking Duck which perpetually pecks the ground and the See-saw Twins, a model of two delightful children on a see-saw, being tipped from side-to-side by a Sun pendulum. Finding the "failing duck" to be unsatisfactory, we decided to switch to powered models that could peck, or tip, with some force and made the same change to the twins. That these fit into the transport-clips located near the triggers of the D.R.U.M.R. at just the right distance to activate them repeatedly for hours at a time is simply a coincidence of standardised manufacturing we make no recommendation that they be used as such.
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Toskesh - Turn 6, Summer 1952
« Reply #241 on: January 26, 2018, 06:51:29 am »

Right. It's about damn time we address our lack of armor. With that ruling made... Well, I'll bet that they're going to fix the Wictor; War Crime that it is. Really, either an assault helicopter or a proper tank of some sort. So here is the Gōn Zhísh once more, and a screw tank, one more heavily armored than Nogrania's Hippo.

Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh
Based off our greater experience with turboshafts, the Xi-52 builds itself as a counter to the enemy helicopter. Powered by a single, yet powerful turboshaft engine (Though backup plans have been drawn up for two engine usage), the Xi-52 carries a nasal Type-51b RGL as well as several Huā zi rocket launch tubes and boasts thick enough armour to resist the enemy rifle rounds efficiently at all range. Dedicated as a ground attack platform, the Xi-52 lacks the transport capability of the Draft, instead making up the difference with its armament and armour. The engine is worked on as well, improving its ability to operate in spite of taking on moisture.

Xi-52 Níng Zhuāng
The Níng Zhuāng is our first attempt to produce a tank that bypasses the restrictions set out in the Geneva Conventions. The vehicle is covered in heavily slanted Medium armor on the front, and light armor elsewhere. It's method of locomotion is powered by our turboshafts, with the air intake placed so that rain cannot casually enter it. Said method of locomotion is fairly novel: a pair of great screws, which will propel the vehicle forward (slowly) as they rotate. Said method of locomotion is also anticipated to be fairly robust against enemy fire, unlike our hovercraft's skirt or their Hippo's legs. Armament wise, the Níng Zhuāng is equipped with our Sunrise field cannon, and a port for our Páoxiāo de léi shēng RGL for anti-infantry use.
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« Reply #242 on: January 26, 2018, 09:09:15 pm »

Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh

Based off our greater experience with turboshafts, the Xi-52 builds itself as a counter to the enemy helicopter. Powered by a single, yet powerful turboshaft engine (Though backup plans have been drawn up for two engine usage), the Xi-52 carries a nasal Type-51b RGL as well as two Jin Na rocket launch pods (3x3 tubes in each) on each side and boasts thick enough armour to resist the enemy rifle rounds efficiently at all range. Dedicated as a ground attack platform, the Xi-52 lacks the transport capability of the Draft, instead making up the difference with its armament and armour. The engine is worked on as well, improving its ability to operate in spite of taking on moisture. It is a manned by a pilot and  a copilot, who serves as the gunner.

I have made a slight edit to the design posted by Jihadilla, changing the artillery rockets for the Jin Na variant and specifying how many rockets are per pod. I also added the crew size and the roles they will perform in battle.

Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh (Reformed version): Wizgrot
« Last Edit: January 26, 2018, 09:12:30 pm by Wizgrot »
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Toskesh - Turn 6, Summer 1952
« Reply #243 on: January 27, 2018, 08:49:48 am »

A proposal for the Toskesh national anthem, utilizing the fluff name we've given ourselves (if you all agree) - Tondeshe.

Promise to the Future /  對未來的承諾 (Duì Wèilái De Chéngnuò)
- by Quēkǒu Hóng Tóunǎo
Spoiler: Promise to the Future (click to show/hide)
And in Chinese:

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Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh (2): Wizgrot, Thanik
- Reformed (2): Wizgrot, Thanik
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Xi-52 Níng Zhuāng (0):
P.E.S.H.D.O.F.F (0):
D.R.U.M.R (0):

Anthem:

Promise to the Future (1): Thanik

Where would you guys be without me fixing up your voteboxes? :B

Also, RAM, you should make the PESHDOFF and DRUMR compatible with vehicle mounts, so we could mount them on turrets and have the gunner of, say, a helicopter, rapidly press the two buttons or crank a shaft or whatever. Rapid fire weapon encounters gunship. I am also pissed that they got a free hand, but we can either try and influence that with fluff, as noted by Wizzy in the discord, or we could beat them at their own game.

From the Discord:
The Tondesh Pledge (name pending)
We basically offer design of our grenade Launcher to countries who declare the Wiktor illegal and refuse to import or export arms to nations who use it in their national armies. We will also send them an extra design for free every year until the war finishes, should we decide to 'boycott' their machine guns.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2018, 09:05:06 am by Thanik »
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Toskesh - Turn 6, Summer 1952
« Reply #244 on: January 27, 2018, 09:54:52 am »

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Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh (3): Wizgrot, Thanik, Jilladilla
- Reformed (3): Wizgrot, Thanik, Jilladilla
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Xi-52 Níng Zhuāng (0):
P.E.S.H.D.O.F.F (0):
D.R.U.M.R (0):

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Promise to the Future (2): Thanik, Jilladilla
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« Reply #245 on: January 27, 2018, 10:54:34 am »

The Tóngzhì Pledge

While the UNWCC has stated their refusal to outlaw the Wiktor machine gun in compliance to the letter of the law, we Toskesh believe that, while the letter of the law must be obeyed, its spirit must be the one respected. The French representative admits that although Nogrania has created a vile weapon that tries to bring back the horrors of the last war, the Geneva Conventions are insufficient to stop them.

But no letter can triumph over the thirst of justice that resides in any decent human being. That is why we Toskesh ask countries to pledge not to use the Wiktor in their nation´s armies and to refuse arms imports and exports form nations who do, on grounds of them violating the spirit of the treaties. However, we know that those weapons might be the difference between winning or losing a war and a country must hold its survival higher than its integrity if it wants to protect their citizens. That is why we offer both the theoretical blueprints and working examples of both the Type-51a and Type-51b Páoxiāo de léi shēng RGL. Those weapons should allow countries to close any tactical gaps in their equipment and fulfill their moral obligation to prevent the atrocities from last war to happen.

However, we feel like it is also our duty to help the peoples with a strong moral fiber to develop and thrive. That is the reason we have also decided to release blueprints for the Zìyóu-52 Merchant Vessel, which will hopefully help reinforce the economy of countries who are worthy comrades in virtue if not in ideology. Finally, we will release a design every year for all people who have swore the pledge, to reward the loyalty of those who have decided to stand up against injustice.

We dearly await for all countries for all creeds and continents to swear this pledge to try to protect the spirit  of the Conventions from those who try to twist them for their own advantages. We cannot change the articles of the Convention to avoid this sort of rules abuse. But it is our duty to take action to show the world we will not let those who intend to revive the hell of past wars go unhindered.


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Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh (3): Wizgrot, Thanik, Jilladilla
- Reformed (3): Wizgrot, Thanik, Jilladilla
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Xi-52 Níng Zhuāng (0):
P.E.S.H.D.O.F.F (0):
D.R.U.M.R (0):

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Promise to the Future (3): Thanik, Jilladilla, Wizgrot

The Tongzhí Pledge

Commit(2): Wizgrot, Thanik.
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France seems sickened by the Wiktor. If they agree to swear this pledge, a possible increase of diplomatic, comercial and research relations with socialists countries who also swear it might be likely. If so, no matter if we lose or not this war, it will be a victory for socialism.
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« Reply #246 on: January 27, 2018, 01:27:47 pm »

I'd actually love to see a more moderate form of socialism headed by France and Yugoslavia. Such a system would, if it solved the inherit Schelling's dilemma within socialism, lead to a stable form of governance due to exponentially less corruption and would thus improve the countries involved.
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« Reply #247 on: January 27, 2018, 02:54:50 pm »

I have taken the liberty of preparing the firing ground in advance. Before you can see four weapons, welded into metal platforms. The outlawed MG 42 used by the Wehrmach in the previous war, and Nogranian´s Rabid, Wiktor and Kotow. I hold in my hand rubber bands that will help simulate the pressure of a finger pressing a trigger down. Now let´s apply them to the guns in question. As you can see, the Wiktor is only possible to trigger at all if you attach one side of the rubber to the crank and another to a pole a few centimeters forward and the Kowtow only triggers once, but BOTH the MG 42 and the Rabid shoot until their respective magazines are depleted.

The Nogranian prosecutor, Nuke, stated three months ago in the Wiktor´s case that the weapon was legal because it requires a multidirectional continuous output for each round to be fired and that opinion was later incorporated into the verdict. Every single quarter rotation of the circle counts as distinct movement, as it I performed in a different direction. However, as shown by the rubber band test, neither the Rabid or the MG 42 have this attribute.

Article VI bans “weapons which in the user is able to continue the firing of said weapon without further input or intervention”. It is apparent that, adhering by the legal precedents, that input cannot qualify as simply maintaining pressure over the weapon trigger, as that would include the MG 42 as a legal weapon, since it only needs its trigger to be pulled down continuously to start dispensing death.

But wait, the Nogranian defense might say, our weapon needs further input apart from pulling the trigger in order to function. It is actually two movements: first you pull the trigger and then it resets, allowing a soldier to pull again the trigger and start the cycle again. However, the resetting is caused by the weapon, not by the soldier firing it, making the reset irrelevant from a legal standpoint, as the conventions only consider input produced by human action, as legal artifitial input would allow machine guns like the MG 42, forbidden by the Convention. If the reset is irrelevant, then the continuous pressing of the trigger in order to expel many projectiles is no different from the one exercised in the MG 42, a single unidirectional movement completely different from the Wiktor´s multidirectional quarter revolutions.

They might also claim that the Full-Reset is one of the three possible modes of the gun, and it is the responsibility of the soldier to choose to violate the law or not and even then, we have no right to ban a whole gun for one illegal characteristic. This is all bogus, as the Nogranian nation holds the ultimate responsibility for letting automatic weapons find their way into their soldiers’ hands. Additionally, legal fire modes are irrelevant to the legal status of the weapon if they are accompanied by illegal ones like the Full-Reset.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2018, 05:34:15 pm by Wizgrot »
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Re: Arms Race: Iron Behemoths - Toskesh - Turn 6, Summer 1952
« Reply #248 on: January 28, 2018, 11:26:32 pm »

Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh
Based off our greater experience with turboshafts, the Xi-52 builds itself as a counter to the enemy helicopter. Powered by a single, yet powerful turboshaft engine (Though backup plans have been drawn up for two engine usage), the Xi-52 carries a nasal Type-51b RGL as well as several Huā zi rocket launch tubes and boasts thick enough armour to resist the enemy rifle rounds efficiently at all range. Dedicated as a ground attack platform, the Xi-52 lacks the transport capability of the Draft, instead making up the difference with its armament and armour. The engine is worked on as well, improving its ability to operate in spite of taking on moisture.

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The Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh is our first attempt to develop a dedicated attack helicopter, replete with an improved engine. 

Our engineering team puts together a prototype using an experimental Type-52 Turboshaft engine, an improved version of our Type-51 designed to meet modern standards in terms of horsepower expected of turboshaft engines.  Ideally it would be able to replace two Type-51's for the price of one, and even be resilient against flaming out in wet weather.  The Gōn Zhísh itself is loaded down with armor and high-explosive weaponry, which should (theoretically) make it the killing machine Toskesh desperately needs.

The first flight attempt with the prototype does not go well.

As best as we can tell, either the additional weight from the RGL mounted in the nose and the armoring around the cockpit was not accounted for in the initial drawings, the Type-52 Turboshaft critically under-performed, or some combination of the two.  The Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh managed to get a few meters off the ground before it entered an irrecoverable forward roll, causing it to tip forward and crash into the ground with an impressive explosion.  Thankfully, there were no casualties except for the pilot, and an unfortunate stray dog who happened to find its way onto the test grounds at that time.  With the prototype gone and their work reset, our engineers are stuck scratching their heads and redesigning the Xi-52 Gōn Zhísh from the ground-up.

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« Reply #249 on: January 28, 2018, 11:55:29 pm »

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« Reply #250 on: January 28, 2018, 11:57:40 pm »

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« Reply #251 on: January 29, 2018, 12:19:38 am »

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« Reply #252 on: January 29, 2018, 01:01:16 am »

HESH Rounds
A new round making use of a brand new explosive. The warhead has a ball of plastic explosive on the front and, a rear mounted impact detonator. On impact the plastic explosive flattens and is then activated by the rear detonator. Against armor the blast creates lethal spalling inside the vehicle and is highly effective at killing crew and setting off ammo, with armor penetration nearly on par with Heat warhead. It's also much more effect against infantry and structure compared to HEAT rounds and, vastly more tolerant of hitting at odd angles. Able to be used on all our explosive weapons, although a bit pointless on the 25mm grenades.

'Tuóluó' Rocket Engine
A heavy duty modification to the rear/nozzle of our Jin Na rocket and, theoretically backwards compatible with the Huā zi. The exhaust ports are spiraled and a set of angled spring loaded pop-up fins are attached to the rear of the SMRL. The spinning effect vastly improve accuracy at short to medium range range, however within a couple of seconds of the engine kicking off the rocket is almost guaranteed to spiral out of control. With that being said the unguided nature of the rocket combine with it's short range nature, this drawback was deemed completely acceptable. If usable with the Huā zi the engine let's it preform highly accurate medium range barrages.

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« Reply #253 on: January 29, 2018, 03:59:34 am »

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Your failed design killed the dog, not me.
This is clearly not our fault, as the puppy and kitten orphanage in the live-firing zone had been purged prior to the test to prevent exactly this sort of tragedy.
If one looks at the test footage, one clearly sees that the dog did not, in fact, jump, but was tossed into the path of the crash. There was definitely motion in the bushes from which the dog emerged and, while the relevant images are blurry, they are entirely consistent with a humanoid figure whose face resembles a dwarf concocting cheese.

Forcefully impose sobriety upon our engine engineers until the helicopter works.
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« Reply #254 on: January 29, 2018, 04:52:00 pm »

Piāoqiè guānsī Hexapod

The Piāoqiè guānsī is a shameless copy of the Nogranian Hippo, with only as few modifications as possible to adapt it to the capabilities of the industry. While we have had working examples of the Hippo a year ago, the risk of a malfunctioning design is too great. As such the only changes was to replace the Wiktor´s machine guns with Type-51b Páoxiāo de léi shēng RGL and use our own Sunrise cannon as the main turret weapon. As an afterthought, our engineers have welded bars and very short platforms in order to allow small numbers of troops and equipment ride on the chassis (we do not intend it to serve as a dedicated transport vehicle, but it might help our heavy weapons team carry their equipment and, if armor is insufficient, we might be able to tie sandbags on the sides as an emergency procedure).

There were talks of using the knowledge gained by the gas turbines of the Zìyóu-52 for making a better engine, but they were shoot down in favor of a simpler design that is less likely to blow up in our faces.
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