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« Reply #420 on: May 26, 2018, 08:39:59 pm »

Maya was also the general of an (in?)famous army at one point and was (still is?) the rightful ruler of a world where we saw both Incubus and Jagganoth on and Incubus was complaining about the throne never having been his.

Though we don’t know if she is still at the peak of her strength or if she lost some of it at some point.

Oh wait, I just remembered that Meti is the demiurge, not Maya.

So that makes Maya more on the same rank as 00001.

She might have been a demiurge at one point, as Incubus seems to hint. There is still very little that we know about her.

Also, I don’t recall a demiurge named Meti in the comic.
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« Reply #421 on: May 26, 2018, 08:46:14 pm »

000001 is Mammon's emissary, meaning that she holds a fraction of his key's power. In terms of raw power, she's probably more powerful than Maya. But then, measured that way, Alison is the most powerful person in the universe. Ability to actually wield that power is what's important.
So in that regard, Maya is most like 6 JUGGERNAUT STAR SCOURS THE UNIVERSE, as someone who is simply very very dangerous to be around due to martial prowess.
Note that I believe that it was said that Maya's little sword trick that cut a whole room in half using a broken sword hilt was not sorcery, just being really good at swords. Assuming that she's the former owner of Incubus's key as well as his army, it would seem that she's decided that holding power is not necessary.

Also Meti was Maya's mentor and the author of "Meti's sword manual", an article that explains that swords are useless hunks of metal and you shouldn't bother with them.
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« Reply #422 on: May 26, 2018, 08:54:55 pm »

I remember the flashback scene you’re talking about, but I thought she was a sage of some sort and I don’t recall her having a key or anything.
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« Reply #423 on: May 26, 2018, 09:59:08 pm »

000001 is also Mammon's only emissary so she's probably a bit higher on the scale than most.

Maya clearly knows the art of cutting, she was teasing Allison about not using her key right, so she's at least been around someone with a key long enough to learn how to use one, and it isn't unlikely that she may have held one at some point or at least a significant chunk.

She seems to outrank Incubus, much to Jagganoth's amusement, which suggests after attaining power and the role of leading an army she got bored and left to find new ramen to eat and fools to bisect.
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« Reply #424 on: May 27, 2018, 10:36:17 am »

I wouldn't be surprised if Meti turned out to be one of the originals, and entered Throne by cutting her way in.
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« Reply #425 on: May 29, 2018, 10:02:27 pm »

*In best Protoss voice*  "82 White Chain has arrived!"
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« Reply #426 on: May 29, 2018, 11:26:52 pm »

Out of curiosity, how did Princess become Red when Cio is still blue?
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« Reply #427 on: May 29, 2018, 11:30:52 pm »

Shed some names via recalled memories.  Never really got an in-depth explanation about Princess' change, just that there are lots of ways that demons can shed their binding names.  Seems like Cio was on the edge of a full-Yabalchoath reversion, but pulled herself back at the last moment.
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« Reply #428 on: May 30, 2018, 12:19:07 am »

Of course, a difference there is that Princess wants to go back to black, whereas Cio very much doesn't.
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« Reply #429 on: May 30, 2018, 08:54:47 am »

Of course, a difference there is that Princess wants to go back to black, whereas Cio very much doesn't.

He also didn’t want to die while ‘so diminished’, which would be a heck of a motivation.

Cio doesn’t want to go back because she is afraid/ashamed of who she was and because she thinks she was rightfully punished. So, she really doesn’t want to go back to that, at least not until she comes to terms with that past.

Anyways, cavalry to the rescue! Wonder how they’ll get on.

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« Reply #430 on: May 30, 2018, 09:18:33 pm »

Of course, a difference there is that Princess wants to go back to black, whereas Cio very much doesn't.

He also didn’t want to die while ‘so diminished’, which would be a heck of a motivation.

Cio doesn’t want to go back because she is afraid/ashamed of who she was and because she thinks she was rightfully punished. So, she really doesn’t want to go back to that, at least not until she comes to terms with that past.

Anyways, cavalry to the rescue! Wonder how they’ll get on.
Noting that this is pretty much coinciding with the whole memory theory above. That is a memory in itself, and furthermore, it is a really deep insight into herself through awareness and freedom of will. Much more powerful if...erm, I've to note the variables in between the everything about how demons work.
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« Reply #431 on: May 31, 2018, 06:02:30 pm »

Devil mask progression appears to function through what I'd call "parasitic actualization". Devils begin as pure chaos, but are bound into the hard limits of humanity through masks. However, this does not itself grant any true humanity, only the appearance thereof. This is why the lowest mask, pale, is alien and nonverbal.

Yet pale masks are not truly "low". We see devils of various competence and wealth all over the mask spectrum. There's two pale devils in the vaultrobbing crew, even.

Rather, devils appear to progress whenever they use contracts to steal fundamental things from humans. Note the contrast with the nonverbal white devils and the blue devils who have the "gift of tongues". When a devil decides to to the stereotypical thing and "steal a human's soul", or their voice, or their mind, or their essence, when the devil starts to see humans as "meat", they make a cognitive leap. They absorb some of that humanity. The pale devil ceases to be pure chaos contained only by the aesthetic form of humanity, and becomes, in some small way, more humanlike. They become blue.

And so they progress, becoming more humanlike and gathering wider patterns of humanity. Abbadon hasn't explored it yet, but my bet is that humanity is like an addiction to devils, not to mention it makes a convenient Dark Souls reference. They thirst for more and so make more contracts to get more access to understanding of humanity, even if they do not consciously realize this or act in any way humane (Oscar...).

This continues, withering and growing in a humanity they do not know or understand, until they become gold devils, and they hit a wall. They've absorbed so much, taken so many contracts, that there is nothing left to gather from the world. The only thing to do, the only way to progress further, is to hit self-actualization and gain a true identity not cribbed or stolen from humans. This is why ebon devils are not made by contract, and why they choose their own names.

Princess is able to go back with relative ease because she still has most everything that made Vladok within her. The binding names are holding back a tidalwave of wisdom and power. And so they hold, for the most part, for now. But eventually the Jagermeister will be dried up and the Princess will come undone, restoring...something. Not necessarily Vladok.

Cio has hit a form of metastability as a blue devil. Her desire to be not just human but humane has arrested her inherent nature's assault on the binding names. She accepts "Cio", prefers it even. It is an accomplishment far more meaningful than it seems, particularly given that she was otherwise in short order gearing up for a jump from blue to ebon until nuclear lesbian flames intervened.
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« Reply #432 on: June 02, 2018, 04:32:47 pm »

Ship: Covered in ghostly blue angelic fire?
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« Reply #433 on: June 02, 2018, 04:56:52 pm »

Cio. Cio I don't think this is the right time for that.
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« Reply #434 on: June 02, 2018, 07:58:56 pm »

They must have climbed that rope pretty fast to be onboard already.
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