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[Kagus]

The Jedi books aren't toast, Rey has them. You see them in a drawer at the end of TLJ and she reads them in RoS.

How do you know these were Jedi books and not some random Gungan smut, though?

"The Lusty Gungan Maid Vol. III"

[Telgin]

Why can lightsabers be blocked by mere metal in books and games, but never ever in the films?

Lucas forgot this himself on occasion, but Vader's armor and Grevious's bodyguards' weapons are both shown blocking lightsabers in the movies.

Yeah, there are a few lightsaber resistant materials in the Legends canon that probably survived the transition to Disney.  Why everyone and their mama seems to have a weapon made out of it is a different matter since they were all supposed to be rare and nobody expects to face a Jedi.

For Vader and Grievous's bodyguards at least it makes sense.  I've read that canonically this is how Vader also blocked Han's blaster bolts in Empire Strikes back, but I always preferred the idea that he just did that through the Force.

Small grumbling aside, but if Jedi: Fallen Order is any indication, half of the wildlife in Star Wars has a lightsaber resistant hide...

[ChairmanPoo]

I subscribe to using the force to stop them too. It fits with what he was doing (he takes han's blaster with the force afterwards), he does it again in rogue one, and it fits well with the global theme of Force users looking down on blasters -not so much about a pacifist ethos as about how using them near them is pointless because they have so many ways to address the problem (precognition + reflexes, lightsaber or even force deflection if they are good enough),

[Eschar]

I subscribe to using the force to stop them too. It fits with what he was doing (he takes han's blaster with the force afterwards), he does it again in rogue one, and it fits well with the global theme of Force users looking down on blasters -not so much about a pacifist ethos as about how using them near them is pointless because they have so many ways to address the problem (precognition + reflexes, lightsaber or even force deflection if they are good enough),

Vice versa as well? See Han's comment about "hokey religions are no match for a good blaster" (paraphrase.)

[ChairmanPoo]

But Han did not get first hand experience about jedis et al until he meets Obi Wan and company. And the one time he tries dealing with one he gets pummeled.

Btw in my headcannon he's totally untrained-but-sensitive. Hence the good and bad feelings.

[Kot]

using them near them is pointless because they have so many ways to address the problem (precognition + reflexes, lightsaber or even force deflection if they are good enough),

Tell that to all those Jedi during Order 66.

[Telgin]

Btw in my headcannon he's totally untrained-but-sensitive. Hence the good and bad feelings.

This wouldn't be unreasonable for the setting, though I'd prefer if it weren't true.  Star Wars already has a bit too much of the Force sensitive = you win problem in my opinion.

[Iduno]

using them near them is pointless because they have so many ways to address the problem (precognition + reflexes, lightsaber or even force deflection if they are good enough),

Tell that to all those Jedi during Order 66.

It's literal plot armor. When you can't keep up with the internal consistency of Star Trek (which is not a high bar to clear), just say a space wizard did it.

[Dunamisdeos]

using them near them is pointless because they have so many ways to address the problem (precognition + reflexes, lightsaber or even force deflection if they are good enough),

Tell that to all those Jedi during Order 66.

It's literal plot armor. When you can't keep up with the internal consistency of Star Trek (which is not a high bar to clear), just say a space wizard did it.

o/ the novel explains it that clones have no negative emotions tied to the act of following orders, regardless of what those orders are. Therefore the Jedi didn't detect any ill will from them before they pulled the trigger. Because there wasn't any to sense.

Some especially sensitive Jedi, like Yoda, noticed anyway. But most of em got taken by surprise.

[Madman198237]

To be fair, many of them were overwhelmed by numbers and *did* get a danger sense from it; but it's generally accepted that Jedi get less warning from droids than they do from living beings since they can sense emotions...but because magic microchip -> no emotions to sense, they got less warning from the clones after Order 66 and it was pretty much like being attacked from behind by a lot of droids, except these were living beings that new how to put shots past a Jedi's defenses.


In short, space magic, explained after the fact, as is usual with the prequels and sequels, and to a lesser extent the OT as well.

[Rolan7]

There were a lot of things in the prequels that needed more explanation (Clone Wars cartoon helped a *lot*) but I thought Order 66 was pretty well portrayed. A montage of Jedi being overwhelmed by massed fire. Sometimes by surprise, but even the ones who noticed it coming failed to block everything.

These were gene soldiers performing ambushes, not some pilot with a pistol trying to gank space-Jesus.

[scriver]

It is one of the many reasons Jango was selected as the clone template, after all.

[Grim Portent]

Jedi precog generally gets overstated anyway, it's enough to survive a stand up fight against a few assailants at a time in favourable conditions and see basic ideas of short term danger or veeery vague long term stuff. It is not enough to magically dodge or deflect masses of blaster fire for any real length of time or predict future events down to the day.

[Kagus]

No negative emotions tied to following orders? But... Didn't Clone Wars give the clones personality? And have some of them feel really bad about 66?


I suppose a direct contradiction makes as much sense as anything else in space-bibleland

[Egan_BW]

Regret ≠ Hesitation.