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[hector13]

Oh hell I forgot that reference was in there, and I’m glad nothing terribly important happened ‘cause I was like “fuckin’ seriously!?” afterwards.

Was awesome.

[RedKing]

Spoiler: Solo spoiler opinions (click to show/hide)

I found freedom robot to be a bit one dimensional, if fun, and it seems contrived that they uploaded her (permanently? what? is she like, enslaved as a freighter comptroller for all eternity now? Isn't that an extremely special kind of hell for her?) into the Falcon.

Darth Maul got cut the hell in half and making it canon that he survived bisection via lightsaber and a fall into a bottomless pit is the kind of toy-pushing BS that eclipses even ewoks. But Darth Maul is also rad as hell, so ok. To be clear: This guy died, but this guy is totally fine.

Teras Kasi. I get that one! I get that reference [captain america.gif]

Kessel Run, actual droid revolution, sabacc scenes, basically every character was very enjoyable to me. I enjoyed Han even if he felt like not-Han, because the performance was genuinely enjoyable.

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What Sirus said. The Clone Wars cartoon established that Darth Maul survived through sheer force of will, went crazy, had a mechanical-spider lower half for a while, was rescued by Savage Opress (another Zabrak), and taken back to Dathomir where the Nightsisters fixed his broken mind (and restored him with more normal prosthetic legs). He was eventually betrayed by Darth Sidious (or tried to betray him, can't remember which) who killed Opress and took Maul captive.

I think the Rebels cartoon established that he escaped, said "fuck the Sith" and used his talents to become a player in the criminal underworld instead.

Makes sense to me -- Jedi seem more willing to meet their fate, whereas Sith are desperate to live forever.

[Dunamisdeos]

Spoiler: Solo spoiler opinions (click to show/hide)

I found freedom robot to be a bit one dimensional, if fun, and it seems contrived that they uploaded her (permanently? what? is she like, enslaved as a freighter comptroller for all eternity now? Isn't that an extremely special kind of hell for her?) into the Falcon.

Darth Maul got cut the hell in half and making it canon that he survived bisection via lightsaber and a fall into a bottomless pit is the kind of toy-pushing BS that eclipses even ewoks. But Darth Maul is also rad as hell, so ok. To be clear: This guy died, but this guy is totally fine.

Teras Kasi. I get that one! I get that reference [captain america.gif]

Kessel Run, actual droid revolution, sabacc scenes, basically every character was very enjoyable to me. I enjoyed Han even if he felt like not-Han, because the performance was genuinely enjoyable.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What Sirus said. The Clone Wars cartoon established that Darth Maul survived through sheer force of will, went crazy, had a mechanical-spider lower half for a while, was rescued by Savage Opress (another Zabrak), and taken back to Dathomir where the Nightsisters fixed his broken mind (and restored him with more normal prosthetic legs). He was eventually betrayed by Darth Sidious (or tried to betray him, can't remember which) who killed Opress and took Maul captive.

I think the Rebels cartoon established that he escaped, said "fuck the Sith" and used his talents to become a player in the criminal underworld instead.

Makes sense to me -- Jedi seem more willing to meet their fate, whereas Sith are desperate to live forever.

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Yeah I mean I know it's been canon, but it was always ridiculous to me. They retconned everything else but not that. Anyway Maul is super fukkin' cool so I'm fine it even if it is ridiculous. Maul surviving being bisected and thrown down a pit because he wanted to is the equivalent of Padme dying of being sad, as it were.

[Sirus]

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I found freedom robot to be a bit one dimensional, if fun, and it seems contrived that they uploaded her (permanently? what? is she like, enslaved as a freighter comptroller for all eternity now? Isn't that an extremely special kind of hell for her?) into the Falcon.

Darth Maul got cut the hell in half and making it canon that he survived bisection via lightsaber and a fall into a bottomless pit is the kind of toy-pushing BS that eclipses even ewoks. But Darth Maul is also rad as hell, so ok. To be clear: This guy died, but this guy is totally fine.

Teras Kasi. I get that one! I get that reference [captain america.gif]

Kessel Run, actual droid revolution, sabacc scenes, basically every character was very enjoyable to me. I enjoyed Han even if he felt like not-Han, because the performance was genuinely enjoyable.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What Sirus said. The Clone Wars cartoon established that Darth Maul survived through sheer force of will, went crazy, had a mechanical-spider lower half for a while, was rescued by Savage Opress (another Zabrak), and taken back to Dathomir where the Nightsisters fixed his broken mind (and restored him with more normal prosthetic legs). He was eventually betrayed by Darth Sidious (or tried to betray him, can't remember which) who killed Opress and took Maul captive.

I think the Rebels cartoon established that he escaped, said "fuck the Sith" and used his talents to become a player in the criminal underworld instead.

Makes sense to me -- Jedi seem more willing to meet their fate, whereas Sith are desperate to live forever.

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He might have become an underworld figure for a while, but he finally got killed for good by Obi-Wan. I never watched much of Rebels, but I did see their final duel. Was pretty sweet.

[McTraveller]

I just saw Solo last night... I don't understand all the hate for it.  It wasn't a fantastic movie, but by no means was it terrible.  It was fun enough - which is really all I was expecting.

I guess I don't get as bent out of shape about all the minutiae...

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I did so want Emilia Clarke to ride a dragon though, even if it would not have fit in the universe.

[Teneb]

I just saw Solo last night... I don't understand all the hate for it.  It wasn't a fantastic movie, but by no means was it terrible.  It was fun enough - which is really all I was expecting.

I guess I don't get as bent out of shape about all the minutiae...

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I did so want Emilia Clarke to ride a dragon though, even if it would not have fit in the universe.

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There totally are Star Wars dragons.

Anyway, I think the hate has to do with it being part of the Dinsey Star Wars as well as "SJW" scaremongering because of course.

[USEC_OFFICER]

The hate for Solo was mostly due to blowback from The Last Jedi and little to do with its actual merits, from what I remember. That doesn't mean that Solo was the best movie ever of course. Just that it got a lot of flak for stuff mostly unrelated to its actual merits.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

It's pretty middling honestly, good stuff n bad stuff--maybe just a bit frustrating knowing how good it COULD be.

[Reelya]

There really wasn't even much of any SJW-related stuff in The Last Jedi, most of the discussion on that was pretty meta. "Didn't like the movie for <vast amount of legit reasons>? You must be a Trump-voting Nazi Russian Bot!".

The main justice thing was the "save the space ponies" plot arc in the middle of the movie. But the main criticism was that it felt out of place,  not that animals were being saved. It was like adding in the entire movie of Free Willy into the middle of an action-adventure film. You can think that was a ham-fisted idea without necessarily being against animal rights.

I mean, if you look at criticisms of Rey's arc in TLJ, by far the most common one is that her character was under-developed compared to Luke's training arc from the original films. "More training needed scenes for Rey" is the main complaint, plus "cut Finn's casino arc right out". The needed cuts would increase the proportion of time for the female lead (who is in fact the least annoying main character) vs the male leads.

[hector13]

I thought it was silly, but that whole side thing with Finn was pretty pointless. Like, Finn is a more pointless character than Jar-Jar at this point.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Big facts all around.

Just seems like a lot of confusing and ill-advised creative decisions.

[MrRoboto75]

I thought it was silly, but that whole side thing with Finn was pretty pointless. Like, Finn is a more pointless character than Jar-Jar at this point.

Really its cause they solved his character arc twice.  He bested his chrome commander in single combat in each movie now, and they never really established much else for him as a character, goal wise.

[Reelya]

One big problem with TLJ is in fact the whole framing device of the "space chase". In the old movies, when you cut to the Imperials, they were always doing and saying something interesting. In TLJ, when you cut to the imperials they're like "are we still chasing the rebel fleet?" "yep" for like, 2 hours, but it felt like 8 hours.

[Persus13]

I think the main issue folks had with Solo is that there just wasn't really a compelling reason for Solo to exist, and the movie itself wasn't great enough to make it feel like more than Disney making a cash grab. A fun 2 hour cash grab, but still.

It gave me a John Powell Star Wars score out of it, so I'm happy though.

TLJ is a movie I still don't know what to think of.

I got another John Williams Star Wars score out of it, so I'm happy though.

[Teneb]

TLJ pretty much is just a beginning, and ending and a whole load of weird filler.

I feel like Rose was put in because despite the pretty huge gay subtext between Poe and Finn, Disney cannot have any non-hetero romance in their stuff.

There really wasn't even much of any SJW-related stuff in The Last Jedi, most of the discussion on that was pretty meta. "Didn't like the movie for <vast amount of legit reasons>? You must be a Trump-voting Nazi Russian Bot!".

The presence of actual SJW content in something is not necessary for certain groups to blame everything on those dreaded three letters though. You'd think that by the volume of accusations that SJWs are a huge and influential group, but we both know it's not the case. Hell, I think I've only ever met (physically) one person that actually qualifies for the label.


Solo was fine. I want more spin-offs because it's not yet another movie about good space wizards facing off against evil space wizards. I really liked Rogue One.