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« Reply #375 on: January 22, 2018, 12:32:13 pm »

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« Reply #377 on: January 22, 2018, 01:19:32 pm »

Snoke was really Kylo's father.
Leia was into some kinky stuff.
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Wow, Leia sure had daddy issues

I always figured it was family issues. I mean, how many times did she kiss Luke and then later claimed she always knew he was her twin brother?
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« Reply #378 on: January 22, 2018, 01:36:28 pm »

One time, you've just watched it more than once.

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« Reply #379 on: January 22, 2018, 01:39:55 pm »

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« Reply #380 on: January 22, 2018, 01:40:13 pm »

And that's where the trend of incest porn originated from, I guess.
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« Reply #381 on: January 22, 2018, 01:53:28 pm »

The cheek kisses don't count. Families do that. I forgot about the one time he was unconscious. That makes Leia an incestuous rapist. Mouth kissing someone who's incapacitated? That's problematic.
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« Reply #382 on: January 22, 2018, 03:00:13 pm »

Except none of the cheek kisses were done like familiar kisses. Except maybe the award ceremony kids. If anything it's the "I'm gonna show Han what's what" kiss that doesn't count since it's not kissed in earnest.
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« Reply #383 on: January 22, 2018, 03:30:07 pm »

The cheek kisses don't count. Families do that. I forgot about the one time he was unconscious. That makes Leia an incestuous rapist. Mouth kissing someone who's incapacitated? That's problematic.
She's neither because she George Lucas didn't know they were related and its not rape (because its not sex).  Its something unacceptable, don't know exactly what I'd call it but rape is too far.  Like I get that there's disagreement over what constitutes rape and what counts as sex.  But like... one kiss, really?

If you were just complaining about Leia's behavior I would be with you.  But when you use phrases like "incestous rape" and "problematic" it comes across like you're trying to insult female victims rather than empower male ones.  Victimhood isn't a contest.

Also, was that in every version of the OT?  Cause I grew up on a box set that was sold some time before the prequels, don't know which version it was but it did feature Han shooting first.  I remember her kissing Han when he was conscious but so disoriented he might as well have been asleep for consent purposes.  Don't remember her kissing an unconscious Luke.
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« Reply #384 on: January 22, 2018, 03:40:11 pm »

Pretty sure Reelya was being extremely sarcastic there :D
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« Reply #385 on: January 22, 2018, 03:45:04 pm »

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"problematic" it comes across like you're trying to insult female victims

Parodying the term "problematic" isn't insulting anything-victims, because the term is specifically splashed around against things that are pretty innocuous. e.g. pink girls toys are problematic. How women are protrayed in food advertising is called problematic. Nothing isn't problematic, as evidenced by Laci Green's statement "everything is problematic" (except Laci Green that is).
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« Reply #386 on: January 22, 2018, 03:53:57 pm »

Pretty sure Reelya was being extremely sarcastic there :D
Yeah, that's my complaint.  If he had just said what he meant in a straightforward manner I would have been fine with it.  Kissing unconscious people isn't OK.

I mean, if his sarcasm was meant to indicate that kissing someone who's asleep on the lips IS totally okay and his point was to make fun of anyone who had a problem with that... would that make it better?

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"problematic" it comes across like you're trying to insult female victims

Parodying the term "problematic" isn't insulting anything-victims, because the term is specifically splashed around against things that are pretty innocuous. e.g. pink girls toys are problematic.
Okay, how about this.  What is the joke here and who is the butt of the joke?
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« Reply #387 on: January 22, 2018, 04:17:45 pm »

"When you take the hyperbole literally"
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« Reply #388 on: January 22, 2018, 05:06:57 pm »

Okay, look.  Irony means things.  It may obscure meaning but it doesn't remove it.  Take the old argument stereotype "well I guess I'm wrong/the bad guy, just like I always am!"  Is that hyperbole?  Absolutely.  Does it have a message and content?  Also yes.  Its saying the other person is overly critical/accusatory/whiney towards the speaker.  Despite being hyperbole, it still has a message and if you ever try using that line the other person will very much get the message.

There was an image meme on one of the SW subreddits that perfectly encapsulates why I'm complaining here, but I couldn't find it and was hesitating to use it because it went further than Reelya did.  It was a picture of Rose kissing Finn with the caption "RAPE".  The top comment under it was basically "I know its annoying that some people have implied we don't like the TLJ because we're sexist, but rape is a serious issue and that's not a good take on it."

And like, let's break down why that's a bad take.  What's the joke?  The joke is that its calling something rape when it clearly isn't.  So, who's the butt of the joke?  If we want to pretend the internet is in a vacuum, the butt of the joke is people who make accusations of rape or sexual assault.  Cause the implication is that people call rape at the drop of a hat.  Regardless of that its also insulting, for the same reason that edgelord "let's make fun of the holocaust" humor is obnoxious; it treats lightly what should not be treated lightly.

But the internet doesn't exist in a vacuum, so.  Its a SJW meme.  We all know it is.  So the implication is that feminists, and thus specifically women, call rape or sexual assault at the drop of a hat.

Okay, now back to Reelya.  Reelya's post talks about a female raping a male.  It then immediately criticizes SJWs.  I made my first post pretending the internet was a vacuum, so I'll drop the pretense here.  If you use female on male rape to give yourself identity politics cred to call out feminists, you're walking like an MRA.  If you hide behind humor and ambiguous irony, you're talking like an MRA.  So if you walk the walk, and you talk the talk, well... I dunno, I'm not going to tell Reelya what he is.  I was just responding to his post and trying to politely point out that his wording could be taken badly.  And I mean if Reelya were hypothetically an MRA, that's not against the forum rules or whatever.  I suspect however that Reelya does not think of himself as an MRA and would be annoyed if I lumped him in with one.
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« Reply #389 on: January 22, 2018, 05:39:39 pm »

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