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[Zanzetkuken The Great]

One thing I would like to mention as to why a Hyperspace Ram might not be considered as effective.  I'm pretty sure the ships of the Mega's support fleet were only taken out due to the sheer amount of debris that was thrown back at them from the Ram.  As such, the tactic likely isn't reliable in killing fleets.  Further, by the time the tactic would be fallen back on in battle, as you really don't want to waste resources at the start of a battle, ships from your side are likely flying everywhere so pulling it off would result in a large amount of killing of your own ships.  Sides, if you can use hyperspace anyway, why not just try to escape to get your ship repaired so it can be useful over the longer run?  Given the situation, this basically makes the shot in the movie one of the times wherein a hyperspace ram could be a useful tactic.  There is the question of why the support ships weren't used when they got low, but that could have been the case of 'the First Order seems content to wait us out and a ram might change that.  Let's not interrupt our enemy making a mistake...'

[smjjames]

So the hyperdrive ram actually zig-zagged accross that big capital ship? I thought the cruiser had somehow splintered into three pieces that sliced up that big ship.

[McTraveller]

@Ispil pretty much covered what I was going to write.  Lots of actual story progressing - it's also kind of ironic in that I think Kylo Ren spoke what is going to probably happen with the franchise, not just the story - getting rid of the "baggage" of the past.  It could go well or ill - it's actually kind of interesting to consider it "from that point of view."

I mean, Ep 7 was so couched "in the past" it was kind of painful.  Ep 8 explicitly said it: "Got to move on from the legend of Luke Skywalker, because riding that legend isn't enough."

Edit: sorry I got your name wrong initially!

[Antioch]

Finally watched it, thought it was a good Star Wars movie.

But then again most of Star Wars wasn't that great to begin with. The only real masterpiece was episode Empire strikes back, but return of the jedi throws away everything Empire build up. Empire is full of foreshadowing about Luke falling to the dark side, ROTJ just goes -> Emperor: "Join the dark side Luke" Luke: "lolno"

A new hope is good because its a pioneering movie, but overall its quite camp.

The phantom menace isn't as bad as everyone says, but its still not very good. It especially fails in portraying Anakin as a likeable character.

Attack of the clones is worse than phantom menace with its horrible romantic subplot.

Revenge of the Sith is good, but it once again fails hard on Anakins plotline, he goes from being a cocky asshole to being an irrational cocky asshole.

The Force awakens was just an episode IV rehash (yay ANOTHER death star plot), good production values though.

Loved Rogue One, it dared to be different and is overall awesome.

[smjjames]

@Ispil pretty much covered what I was going to write.  Lots of actual story progressing - it's also kind of ironic in that I think Kylo Ren spoke what is going to probably happen with the franchise, not just the story - getting rid of the "baggage" of the past.  It could go well or ill - it's actually kind of interesting to consider it "from that point of view."

I mean, Ep 7 was so couched "in the past" it was kind of painful.  Ep 8 explicitly said it: "Got to move on from the legend of Luke Skywalker, because riding that legend isn't enough."

Edit: sorry I got your name wrong initially!

And yet, at the end the kids ride that legend. Kind of almost saying the future is in thier (as in the kids, not neccesarily explictly those kids) hands.

[McTraveller]

And yet, at the end the kids ride that legend. Kind of almost saying the future is in thier (as in the kids, not neccesarily explictly those kids) hands.

Yeah, I should probably have more coffee before I post.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

So the hyperdrive ram actually zig-zagged accross that big capital ship? I thought the cruiser had somehow splintered into three pieces that sliced up that big ship.

The Mega was hit only at one place.  It was one of the support ships that was likely hit by debris from the Mega that was shown to be struck along three lines.

[smjjames]

So the hyperdrive ram actually zig-zagged accross that big capital ship? I thought the cruiser had somehow splintered into three pieces that sliced up that big ship.

The Mega was hit only at one place.  It was one of the support ships that was likely hit by debris from the Mega that was shown to be struck along three lines.

Debris accelerated to hyperspace speeds? I swear I saw something that was shown to be struck with three bright lines.

[hector13]

Empire is full of foreshadowing about Luke falling to the dark side, ROTJ just goes -> Emperor: "Join the dark side Luke" Luke: "lolno"

'cept he does fall to the dark side when he fights Vader, but evidently has a change of heart when he slashes his hand off. Disappointing.

I'm reasonably sure he has a similar "giving into his hate" episode in Empire, but I haven't seen them for ages, so can't quite remember what part. It was at some point in Cloud City, I think.

Fakeedit: no it was when he attacked the Emperor prior to the fight with Vader in RotJ, that was a pretty significant moment that just completely gets brushed over.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

He also spends pretty much the entire movie bathing in reckless violence. The whole confrontation with Jabba is dark side as fuck. Put aside him dressing like Vader and literally force choking guards, he walks into the palace under cover of negotiation with every intention of killing them all once he goads Jabba into attacking.

He's from Tatooine, he knows perfectly well that Jabba the Hutt is never going to let himself be intimidated. Jedi wisdom this is not. You don't have to go all yellow eyed and not just the men but the women and the children too to be tapping the dark side. It's more natural to an untrained mind, more attuned with the violent consumption that defines the struggle of life. Luke does it and Rey is most definitely doing it too. Shit, if TLJ is to be believed Luke's temptation with the dark is still so strong post-ROTJ he at least considered or actually decided to murder his nephew in cold blood from paranoia.

[Baffler]

There actually is an in-universe hard counter to hyperspace-based weapons:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I can't remember if this is an EU creation or not. I know they appear in some LucasArts things other than the movies, at least.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

So the hyperdrive ram actually zig-zagged accross that big capital ship? I thought the cruiser had somehow splintered into three pieces that sliced up that big ship.

The Mega was hit only at one place.  It was one of the support ships that was likely hit by debris from the Mega that was shown to be struck along three lines.

Debris accelerated to hyperspace speeds? I swear I saw something that was shown to be struck with three bright lines.

That was one of the standard Star Destroyer escort ships of the Mega Star Destroyer.

[smjjames]

There actually is an in-universe hard counter to hyperspace-based weapons:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I can't remember if this is an EU creation or not. I know they appear in some LucasArts things other than the movies, at least.

What specifically are you referring to? Having some sort of jamming system to prevent local ships hyperdrives from working seems logical since it can be used to prevent a ship from getting away. But I don't know if one can be used to stop an incoming hyperdrive.

editwhiletyping: I see the name of the image now. Yeah, having something to jam hyperdrives makes sense, but the ship the Rebels were on was a military ship and is likely hardened against that jamming, plus they were able to put a lot of distance between them and the star destroyers. I imagine that in episode 4, they had to turn off the jammer as well as the tractor beam.

Also, a thought, if they were so close to that planet, heck, even close enough to send transports towards it, why didn't they gun for it? Of course, they got deus ex machina'd again with a breaching cannon.

[Taricus]

Interdictors worked against everything because it effectively replicates a mass shadow to mimic that of a planet. No ship is immune to it due to the fact that it's using a ship's navicomputer and sensors against itself via false data inputs. No amount of hardening is going to prevent that.

And even then, the mass shadow of an interdictor would pull them out of hyperspace before they got too close as well.

[smjjames]

Wouldn't stop the target ships from overriding their own hyperdrive computers and sensors (which could plausibly have been done in this movie), though that would be an extremely risky move.

And then, they'd have to get out of range of whatever tractor beams the ships have. Given that they had to disable the tractor beam, I'd assume that attempting to hyperjump away while being tractored does very bad things to the ship.