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[Shadowclaw777]

The leap from a light fighter to a medium fighter is more than twice as powerful in a dogfight, I think twice and a half?

Actually here’s why an extra VP will be valuable to tophat’s plan. If he removes the plasma rifle for the Russian infiltration for instance , and than upgrade the light fighter into a medium fighter, that could mean that the medium fighter could harm both talons and put pressure on skyrangers more effectively resulting in less ground troops that the aliens have to deal with, which means their is less need for a plasma pistol. I think that’s a significant enough edge on getting another VP this turn, we also would be even in point generation of +2/+2 for EP and VP which is balanced which is always nice. I think this might be an effective change and would have my vote for it

[NUKE9.13]

We have literally never managed to reduce XCOM's ground troop numbers by shooting down Skyrangers. Last turn, the fluff specifically mentions that we destroyed both Skyrangers with missiles, but it mentions nothing about their numbers being reduced by that.
I'm pretty sure it is borderline impossible unless they have literally no escort.

[Shadowclaw777]

Heesh, I'm still thinking that upgrading the UFOs like the medium fighters and such to perform surface-to-ground bombardment is still a thing we can do, but you still need some sort of infantry force, to have a form of success. Its just that aerial bombardment gives you significant advantage over the invading ground force, but anyways

[] Actually not that spread out :
[] Mars Attacks :
[] A Different Approach :
[] A different Approach MkII :
[] Operation Versatility :
[2] Plan TopHat : NUKE9.13, SC

[Kashyyk]

10ebbor10, you mention in your battle report that XCom's skyrangers got destroyed. Did we cause infantry casualties from this? We can presumably compare the number of active hostiles to previous engagements to work out if there were less, assuming we couldn't just pick through the wreckage and count bodies.

Further, is it possible to avoid a ground fight with XCom by taking out their skyrangers before they land? I realsie this way circumvent mechanics slightly, but if they are stupid enough to send unescorted skyrangers to intercept we ought to be able to make the most of it.

[] Actually not that spread out :
[] Mars Attacks :
[] A Different Approach :
[] A different Approach MkII :
[] Operation Versatility :
[3] Plan TopHat : NUKE9.13, SC, Kashyyk

[Failbird105]

[] Actually not that spread out :
[] Mars Attacks :
[] A Different Approach :
[] A different Approach MkII :
[] Operation Versatility :
[4] Plan TopHat : NUKE9.13, SC, Kashyyk, Failbird105

[10ebbor10]

10ebbor10, you mention in your battle report that XCom's skyrangers got destroyed. Did we cause infantry casualties from this? We can presumably compare the number of active hostiles to previous engagements to work out if there were less, assuming we couldn't just pick through the wreckage and count bodies.

Couod have happened, but didn't.

Further, is it possible to avoid a ground fight with XCom by taking out their skyrangers before they land? I realsie this way circumvent mechanics slightly, but if they are stupid enough to send unescorted skyrangers to intercept we ought to be able to make the most of it.

It's highly unlikely, but it can happen. They've done it to you.  You'd probably need a dedicated tactic for it to have descent odds of success.

[Failbird105]

Ebbor, there was a question earlier that you didn't seem to see. Namely, would it be possible to have a "Create Outpost" mission that if successful gives a bonus to making a base in that area?

[Puppyguard]

[] Actually not that spread out :
[] Mars Attacks :
[] A Different Approach :
[] A different Approach MkII :
[] Operation Versatility :
[5] Plan TopHat : NUKE9.13, SC, Kashyyk, Failbird105, Puppyguard.

[10ebbor10]

Ebbor, there was a question earlier that you didn't seem to see. Namely, would it be possible to have a "Create Outpost" mission that if successful gives a bonus to making a base in that area?

Sure.

Driving a country into panic also works for that.

[Kashyyk]

This is likely to be more design tier than revision tier, but here goes:

For the Cause
We have been slowly expanding our influence amongst the less idiotic members of humanity, however as of yet they have been merely keeping a low profile instead of acting in our best interests. As our influence grows, loyalist humans will aid in the procurement of resources for base construction, investigate rumours of XCom and Exalt bases, take up arms for our cause and eventually force the nation to cease backing XCom.

[NUKE9.13]

That seems premature, considering we have only lightly infiltrated a single country.

[Kashyyk]

I know, but if we have the benefits of recruitment clearly laid out to us we may be more likely to do it.

[VoidSlayer]

Meh, we should make the Meld infect humans it is put on to alter their brains to love our soldiers and hate their enemies.  A start on mutating humanity into the perfect vessel for the gift.  All missions get civilians using traditional human weapons as extra soldiers, and we get a bonus to successful infiltration and harvest missions.

Make the most of the missions and tech we have right now.

Actually, what if we made a small fighter made entirely out of missiles?  It could be a bundle of missiles all working together, then when enemies get nearby it turns into a swarm of dozens of missiles that hit every enemy nearby.

[piratejoe]

I think if we want a perfect vessel for the 'gift' we should go full on xcom 2, either with the chosen or the avatars...though obviously such a thing is, at least in my opinion, far down the line...That, and I think its hard to make humans just love us and hate Xcom like that without getting something like advent, which we should make once we have a nation or two flipped to our side.

[VoidSlayer]

I was thinking less PR campaign and more mutagenic brute brainwashing genetic nanomachines. Once we can get farmers and convenience store clerks on our side we can move on to more important humans like librarians and crossing guards.