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[Strongpoint]

I really dislike idea of armoring up Raven. It is useless. We'll go from a tin can to a slightly harder tin can. Also, it is naive to expect to produce enough alien alloys to armor Ravens with them.

If we want to upgrade our airpower with design XR is still there and I still think it is a good route (unfortunately no one liked it ). I think we want to upgrade our airpower because:
1) currently leading plan is combined arms
2) next turn we really, really want to engage two targets

We can do some Airforce things with revisions.

My choice would be:

Avalanche II
Avalanche is the best air to air missile in the world. But with the help of new materials derived from alien alloys we managed to improve its engine and fins improving its range, speed and maneuverability. Additionally, Avalanche is modified to be able to target landed UFOs, buildings or any other large land objects.

Do note that this is not a design, it is proposal for future revision.

PS. so many ninjas. I am voting for the rail gun over laser rifle because I find it funnier to go for that instead of "by the book" laser. Also, experience of one other arms race tells me that lasers are easier to counter than fast flying slugs of metal. Aliens can go for some anti-laser mirrors and other shit.

PPS. I really dislike this multivote system that is forming.

[RoseHeart]

Deal wit it.


Chief, I really just think it's going to be a worse roll.


What's life without a little risk, right?

XenoCeramics (2) Blood_Librarian, roseheart
ACE (2) Madman, roseheart
Mosquito Combat Drone (3) Cnidaros, Stabby, roseheart
XPR-1 Plasma Rifle (2): Cnidaros, roseheart
XH1 Laser Rifle (3) Chiefwaffles, Happerry, roseheart
XH1 Railgun Rifle (5) Chiefwaffles, Happerry, strongpoint, Blood Librarian, roseheart
XOMU (1) Blood Librarian
Enhanced Mass Production Lines II (1) roseheart

MISSION DESIGN
Combined Arms (3) Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, roseheart
Surround and siege (1) strongpoint

(Psst, vote for EMPL2 for revision plox)..

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[Chiefwaffles]

And I'm confident you're wrong about the roll.

Railguns have relevance canonically in XCOM.
Railguns have relevance in real life.
Railguns are relevant to what we already have and our tokens.

[RoseHeart]

Oh I am pretty sure I am right.

See my vote, above.

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[10ebbor10]

Ebbor, do weapons based on real life and XCOM have a better chance of success?(Seems obvious, but...)

I'm not entirely certain what you're trying to ask, so I'll just throw out some semi-relevant answers :

1) Stuff that isn't consistent with the setting will have 0 success chance. No magic, for example (psyonics, on the other hand, is perfectly fine).
2) You don't get any bonus from following the XCOM design path perfectly, except for the fact that doing that guarantees that you have setting compatible designs.

[Happerry]

Yes I am staging a voting coup, better than saying I told you so after the 'difficult' railgun roll fails??

No children.

The stove is hot.

Uh huh.

I really dislike idea of armoring up Raven. It is useless. We'll go from a tin can to a slightly harder tin can. Also, it is naive to expect to produce enough alien alloys to armor Ravens with them.

Currently we're in a situation where neither side can withstand being hit by the other side's weapon for air combat, or at least that's my understanding of it. Whether its done with alien alloy of some kind of ceramic armor, being the side that can actually survive being hit once or twice should be to our advantage. Air combat is far to even for my tastes right now.

PPS. I really dislike this multivote system that is forming.

To be fair, Roseheart is the only person voting for more then two things right now. Two things seems fair to me. Favorite and second favorite. When you can only vote for one thing it can lead to bandwagoning because no one dares change their vote or the thing they don't like might win.

[Strongpoint]

Currently we're in a situation where neither side can withstand being hit by the other side's weapon for air combat, or at least that's my understanding of it. Whether its done with alien alloy of some kind of ceramic armor, being the side that can actually survive being hit once or twice should be to our advantage. Air combat is far to even for my tastes right now.

Yes. But you just can't armor up a modern jet interceptor. They are fragile by design. Armoring up won't help against their weapons. Especially if you consider future upgrades. We are doomed to use glass cannons till we get elerium powered crafts or, at least, get way more experience in alien alloys. Our way of improvement should be firepower, speed, maneuverability.

[Cnidaros]

XenoCeramics (2) Blood_Librarian, roseheart
ACE (2) Madman, roseheart
Mosquito Combat Drone (2) Stabby, roseheart
X-R Drone (1): Cnidaros
XPR-1 Plasma Rifle (2): Cnidaros, roseheart
XH1 Laser Rifle (3) Chiefwaffles, Happerry, roseheart
XH1 Railgun Rifle (5) Chiefwaffles, Happerry, strongpoint, Blood Librarian, roseheart
XOMU (1) Blood Librarian
Enhanced Mass Production Lines II (1) roseheart

MISSION DESIGN
Combined Arms (3) Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, roseheart
Surround and siege (1) strongpoint

Changing my vote from Mosquito to the X-R drone, as I think it'll go better with Combined Arms. Although I maintain we will need to capture some aliens eventually, it can be put off for later.

Also, the railgun rifle isn't just a matter of "stick alien batteries on it". Currently the only viable railguns are ship-mounted. Miniaturising it down into a rifle isn't going to be easy, and making it semi-automatic less so (have you seen current railgun rates of fire?).

Why not just copy the alien weapons, which we have lying around already?

[Chiefwaffles]

First, disclaimer: I support the Laser and Railgun variants equally.

Yes, the only viable railguns are ship-mounted.
The only viable plasma guns, however, are non-existent.

That's the difference. In order to be able to understand how to make our own plasma weapons we'd have to completely understand how the alien's guns work and how they weaponized plasma and how every single part works together. Then we'd have to get it all in a neat gun-sized package.
For a railgun? We just need to understand a bit of alien tech, then use it to improve our already-existing railguns.

[Strongpoint]

As almost everyone is going for two votes, I'll do the the same

XenoCeramics (2) Blood_Librarian, roseheart
ACE (2) Madman, roseheart
Mosquito Combat Drone (2) Stabby, roseheart
X-R Drone (2): Cnidaros, strongpoint
XPR-1 Plasma Rifle (2): Cnidaros, roseheart
XH1 Laser Rifle (3) Chiefwaffles, Happerry, roseheart
XH1 Railgun Rifle (5) Chiefwaffles, Happerry, strongpoint, Blood Librarian, roseheart
XOMU (1) Blood Librarian
Enhanced Mass Production Lines II (1) roseheart

MISSION DESIGN
Combined Arms (3) Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, roseheart
Surround and siege (1) strongpoint

[Madman198237]

REGULAR DESIGN
XenoCeramics (2):Blood_Librarian, roseheart
ACE (2):Madman, roseheart
Mosquito Combat Drone (2):Stabby, roseheart
X-R Drone (2): Cnidaros, strongpoint
XPR-1 Plasma Rifle (2): Cnidaros, roseheart
XH1 Laser Rifle (3):Chiefwaffles, Happerry, roseheart
XH1 Railgun Rifle (6):Chiefwaffles, Happerry, strongpoint, Blood Librarian, roseheart, Madman
XOMU (1):Blood Librarian
Enhanced Mass Production Lines II (1):roseheart


MISSION DESIGN
Combined Arms (4) Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, roseheart, Madman
Surround and siege (1) strongpoint

Railguns are FAR, FAR, FAR easier to weaponize than lasers. Modern lasers capable of killing something in reasonable timeframes are HUGE, and indeed lasers require a higher concentration of energy to do real damage. Railguns don't need to melt through armor and deal with atmospheric diffraction and use some incredibly stable lasing material all at the same time. Lasers DO.

[RoseHeart]

REGULAR DESIGN
XenoCeramics (1):Blood_Librarian
ACE (1):Madman
Mosquito Combat Drone (1):Stabby
X-R Drone (2): Cnidaros, strongpoint
XPR-1 Plasma Rifle (1): Cnidaros
XH1 Laser Rifle (2):Chiefwaffles, Happerry
XH1 Railgun Rifle (6):Chiefwaffles, Happerry, strongpoint, Blood Librarian, roseheart, Madman
XOMU (1):Blood Librarian
Enhanced Mass Production Lines II (1):roseheart


MISSION DESIGN
Combined Arms (4) Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, roseheart, Madman
Surround and siege (1) strongpoint

Let's get our pocket railrockets in production! YAAAY!

(I think we're done here GM)

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[Madman198237]

REGULAR DESIGN
XenoCeramics (1):Blood_Librarian
ACE (1):Madman
Mosquito Combat Drone (1):Stabby
X-R Drone (2): Cnidaros, strongpoint
XPR-1 Plasma Rifle (1): Cnidaros
XH1 Laser Rifle (2):Chiefwaffles, Happerry
XH1 Railgun Rifle (6):Chiefwaffles, Happerry, strongpoint, Blood Librarian, roseheart, Madman
XOMU (1):Blood Librarian
Enhanced Mass Production Lines II (1):roseheart


MISSION DESIGN
Combined Arms (4) Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, roseheart, Madman
Surround and siege (1) strongpoint

What is so hard about quoting the previous message to preserve the formatting?

[RoseHeart]

Like that time I added a link to my proposal?

...arguing with internet people on Xmas lol. XCOM Xmas.

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[Madman198237]

Like that time I added a link to my proposal?

...arguing with internet people on Xmas lol. XCOM Xmas.

It's always time to argue with internet people.

Always.