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[Strongpoint]

The Sectoids don't win unless there is ground combat. There will be ground combat next turn, in fact there will be ground combat every turn, until and unless we succeed at shooting down every single UFO ever.

They also win if we fail to detect\intercept their UFO before it takes-off after the completed mission.

[Blood_Librarian]

We are detecting them though. We done a revision specifically to do exactly that with UAV's.

[10ebbor10]

So, does anyone feel like breaking the tie?

[RoseHeart]

BSR Fuel (1): Strongpoint
Enhanced Mass Production Lines (4): Happerry, Stabby, Strongpoint, roseheart
Tactical Awareness Visor (3): Chiefwaffles, Blood Librarian, Cnidaros
Alien Combat Equipment: (1) Madman

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[FallacyofUrist]

BSR Fuel (1): Strongpoint
Enhanced Mass Production Lines (5): Happerry, Stabby, Strongpoint, roseheart, FallacyofUrist
Tactical Awareness Visor (3): Chiefwaffles, Blood Librarian, Cnidaros
Alien Combat Equipment: (1) Madman

Because industry!

[Blood_Librarian]

THis is oddly communist.

[Madman198237]

How so? I mean, other than the fact that it's a horrible choice that's going to ensure we lose every ground mission this turn.

[10ebbor10]

Design

Enhanced Mass Production Lines
Through leveraging Serial Mass Production and concentration of resources, it will become possible to build dedicated factories able to produce the vehicles that XCOM needs, thus allowing additional aircraft to be deployed across the globe, giving XCOM more flexibility in their ability to respond to alien incursions.

Easy : 2 +2+1= 5 (Average)

Concentrating resources to enable greater production efficiency is a proven technique to lower costs and increase production rates. Unfortunately, many of XCOM designs rely on highly complex, and highly expensive components that are often custom fabricated. Nonetheless, you're able to improve the production rate somewhat.

Spoiler: Technology (click to show/hide)

Vehicles

Raven (Interceptor) : Way beyond the bleeding edge of technology, the Raven is far beyond any other jet fighter ever build on Earth. With upgraded avionics, adjusted tracking, and advanced pulse detonation engines, the Raven is capable of pursuing even high speed alien craft. If needed, it can use it's avalanche missiles to shoot down any intruders.   Cost :   2  VP

Skyranger (Troop Transport) : World's first supersonic troop transport. The Skyranger is high speed, heavily armored troop transport, capable of deploying and retrieving a single squad of soldiers in various situations. Cost : 1 VP

Equipment

Basic XCOM Rifle : XCOM's standard rifle. Cutting edge, custom designed, yet still affordable. Part of standard equipment.
Cost : 0

Basic XCOM Grenade : A simple grenade. Activate, throw, explode. Part of standard equipment.
Cost : 0

BASIC XCOM PISTOL : A simple, highpower pistol. It packs a pretty heavy punch, making it an effective if chalkenging sidearm Part of standard equipment.
Cost : 0

Training Program

Rookie Training Program : A basic introduction to the entire Xcom project. The absolute minimum that any soldier needs to know to operate successfully at XCOM. Cost : 1 Unit Points.

NOTSOFT training regimen : The harshest of harsh training regimes. Provides forces with a wide variety of skills, as well as injuries and trauma's. Less than effective due to high fail rates and a focus on harshness over training. Cost : 3 Unit Points.

Mission Profiles

Interception : A simple mission profile that focuses on intercepting an alien vessel as soon as it's detected, destroying it before it can do any damage to any innocent people.

Down and Capture : A more complicated mission profile that focuses on downing an alien vessel (or waiting for it to land), and then storming it with ground forces.

XCOM Resources

Island Mountain HQ [An isolated, hidden underground base on a remote island in the Aegean]
Aereal reconnaissance program : A simple program that allows us to requisition drone reconnaissance on suspected UFO sites.

6 VP
3 UP
3 EP

It's now the revisionphase.

AABBCCDD

[Happerry]

How so? I mean, other than the fact that it's a horrible choice that's going to ensure we lose every ground mission this turn.

What, so you don't think being able to drop two or more skyrangers on a thing is a way to win? If we get even just one more vehicle point, and if the upcoming NOTSOFT revision drops its unit point cost by at least one, we'll be able to drop a unit of rookies and a unit of NOTSOFT on whatever we shoot down to take this turn.

Edit - Oh, hey, we did get that one more vehicle point. Anyone still have a NOTSOFT revision written up?

[Strongpoint]

Revise Down and Capture
Down and Capture: A more complicated mission profile that focuses on downing an alien vessel (or waiting for it to land), and then storming it with ground forces with fire support support from X-com aircrafts in the air.

When I played original X-COM back when I was a kid, I always wanted an option to use that aircrafts to strike damned UFOs on the land. Ravens are interceptors but modern interceptors can strike land targets decently well.

With this kind of mission we can send a sizeable force

Alternatively
Rookie Training Program+
Good leadership is essential. Instead of training elite of elite units, elements of NOTSOFT are used to train commanders of rookie squads.

I think revising rookie squad is a better way to get cheap units then revising NOTSOFT. We really want to be able to send two units this turn

Also

Exploding bullets for standard rifle
Using exploded bullet is considered a war crime... But our current enemy never singed Geneva convention. Standard ammunition of infantry is modified to explode inside the target.

But it looks dead end tech wise

[RoseHeart]

VOTEBOX
Revise Down and Capture: ROS

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[Madman198237]

NOTSOFT Enhanced Retention (NOTSOFTER)
By borrowing a few SAS, SEAL, and yes, even a couple Spetsnaz trainers, we hope to bring our program up to its original specifications. The apparent focus on brutality is to be discarded for a focus on efficiency and training value. Instead of raw brutality, we will have hard training regimens with a purpose. Also, there's no reason for permanent injuries in a reasonable training regimen. Whatever weird thing is causing those, we got rid of it. Strained muscles and bruises are to be expected, even broken bones if, for example. However, it should not be so traumatic as to permanently debilitate them, that's just ridiculous.

Revise Down and Capture: (1) roseheart
NOTSOFTER: (1) Madman

[Strongpoint]

NOTSOFT Enhanced Retention (NOTSOFTER)
By borrowing a few SAS, SEAL, and yes, even a couple Spetsnaz trainers, we hope to bring our program up to its original specifications. The apparent focus on brutality is to be discarded for a focus on efficiency and training value. Instead of raw brutality, we will have hard training regimens with a purpose. Also, there's no reason for permanent injuries in a reasonable training regimen. Whatever weird thing is causing those, we got rid of it. Strained muscles and bruises are to be expected, even broken bones if, for example. However, it should not be so traumatic as to permanently debilitate them, that's just ridiculous.

I don't expect that this kind of revision will reduce UP cost. Also, I dislike what kind of result is possible from low roll. And we want to improve elite, we should try to adapt it to fighting aliens

[Madman198237]

How? We know very, very little about what happened, apparently. Also, it's not aimed at reducing the costs. It's aimed at making them WORTH the cost. With the possibility of launching three interceptors, we may be able to avoid ground combat for a turn, but if we can't we need to ensure we're capable of killing the enemy off. Since we didn't improve our ground troops, our best bet is to fix our first design. A design plus a revision, even with a bad roll on the design, is superior to just a revision.

[Strongpoint]

Or we may detect one ufo and want to send more than 1 Skyranger. Having one 3UP unit takes our flexibility away.

Also, revising non-starting tech just because we need to "fix" bad rolls is wrong if new design is worse than starting ones (and NOTSOFT is worse than rookies, it is far less cost effective) There are other ways to benefit from a failed design experience.

Upgraded Rookie training program
Rookie training program is modified using lessons learned from collecting the data from the battle in Africa. Training courses include tactics of fighting against small and nimble targets like alien scout drone and adjustments to seeking cover against wall melting plasma shots. In fact some parts of rookie training program aims at making soldiers unlearn some of habits of war against other humans.
Also, Rookie training integrates few successful and not (overly) harmful elements of NOTSOFT and integrates it in training routine. Soldiers that volunteer to be commanders of unit take harsher training that IS very closer to extremes of NOTSOFT

Revise Down and Capture: (1) roseheart
NOTSOFTER: (1) Madman
Upgraded Rookie training program (1) strongpoint

I am torn between this and revising Down and capture mission. I think thread will vote for some infantry revision, so going for one I like more.